Linear HW Champion back in the UFC

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: January 04, 2012 at 02:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Overeem is the current Linear champion and with his fight against JDS the linear title would make a full circle back to the top of the UFC gold. For almost the entire lifetime of the HW division in MMA the Linear Champion has been considered the top HW in MMA, but since Fedor lost to Werdum the best HW was considered the UFC champion. But with Overeem total destruction of Brock Lesnar many are arguing that he has been the best HW since Fedor lost to Werdum and currently is.....I guess that will be settled when he fights JDS
just a thought.......
Mark Coleman beat Daniel Severn wins first UFC heavyweight champion
02/07/1997 UFC 12: Judgement Day Submission 2:57 of Round 1
Maurice Smith beat Mark Coleman
07/27/1997 UFC 14: Showdown Decision Unanimous Decision
Randy Couture beat Maurice Smith
12/21/1997 UFC: Ultimate Japan 1 Decision Majority Decision
Enson Inoue beat Randy Couture
10/25/1998 Loss Vale Tudo Japan 98 Submission Arm Bar 1:39 Round 1
Mark Kerr beat Enson Inoue
01/30/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Opening Round Decision
Kazuyuki Fujita beat Mark Kerr, shortest running linear champion (part of an evening)
05/01/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Final Round Decision Unanimous Decision
Mark Coleman beat Kazuyuki Fujita by forfeit, becoming the only two-time linear champion
05/01/2000 Pride: Grand Prix 2000 Final Round TKO/RSC Corner Threw in the Towel due to a Knee Injury
Antonio Nogueira beat Mark Coleman, enjoys second longest run as linear champion
09/24/2001 Pride 16: Beasts From The East Submission Arm Bar 6:10 of Round 1
Fedor Emelianenko beat Antonio Nogueira, longest running linear champion
12/31/2004 Pride: Shock Wave 2004 Decision Unanimous Decision
Fabricio Werdum beat Fedor Emelianenko
06/26/2010 Strikeforce: Insider Submission Arm Triangle Choke 1:09 Round 1
Alistair Overeem beat Fabricio Werdum
06/08/2011 Strikeforce: Overeem vs Werdum: Unanimous Decision
With Overeem recently dismantling Brock Lesnar he brought back the Linear championship to the UFC and with him facing off JDS for the UFC HW Championship it will be the first time since Randy Couture back in 97 that the UFC champion was also the linear champion.
Is an interesting thought and I for one are excited to see Overeem fight JDS because I feel it will be the best HW striking match we have seen in the history of MMA. It wont be a brawl, it will be extremely technical as JDS is considered the best boxer in the HW division and Overeem is considered the best striker. But since we are always trying to find something interesting to talk about in here, I thought this was an interesting thought that the UFC HW championship fight will also be for the "HW linear title" and it would have made its full circle back to the UFC top HW.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EdSoaresContribution
Date: January 04, 2012 at 02:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Not bad Cockburn. Not bad.
I will be citing you whenever I speak on the subject in the near future.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: UltraAmoeba
Date: January 04, 2012 at 02:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Interesting post.
I can really see Overeem taking the strap off JDS as well. I wasn't buying it before the Lesnar fight; I thought his TDD wasn't going to be good enough. I've bought into the hype though now..
WAR OVEREEM!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: January 04, 2012 at 03:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

true post is true

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoffeeAndBeer
Date: January 04, 2012 at 04:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

From [dotcom=http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44197&p=1166480#p1166472]another thread the other day[/dotcom]
CoffeeAndBeer said:
Overeem is currently the lineal Champion of:
PRIDE
UFC
WAMMA
Strikeforce
DREAM
EliteXC
IFL
[dotcom=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/jds-overeem-going-unify-8-hw-titles-1948811/]FWIW[/dotcom] *Sherdog link*
And one more win over Cigano still wouldn't make him #1 all-time.
Click to expand...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: January 04, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

You are right and i like how you break it down. This site is blinded so much with alot of people that really think the UFC is the only organization worth anything. It is nice to see someone else appreciate what Overeem has done and has the potential to do. I like both fighter's alot but i hope Overeem win's and shut's up the UFC only boy's and wakes them up some more. momentum is on his side and considering this should be a stand up war my money will be on the current K-1 Champion. Either way one GREAT Fight!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EdSoaresContribution
Date: January 04, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

{insults deleted, -mods}

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: January 04, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

I had never really thought of it this way. At first look, it sort of looks like MMAth with the "so and so beat so and so" chain. But I see there is more to it than that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: January 04, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

yay more worthless Linear talk...............seriously its more of a joke then P4P
linear means nothing.........because a good deal of those fights aren't even championship fights since its NOT A REAL TITLE.
hell i like Overeem but i don't think he would have won against Werdum if the fight had gone 5 rounds(like it was orginally suppose to be)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: January 04, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

magnuml said:
You are right and i like how you break it down. This site is blinded so much with alot of people that really think the UFC is the only organization worth anything. It is nice to see someone else appreciate what Overeem has done and has the potential to do. I like both fighter's alot but i hope Overeem win's and shut's up the UFC only boy's and wakes them up some more. momentum is on his side and considering this should be a stand up war my money will be on the current K-1 Champion. Either way one GREAT Fight!
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why would AO winning shut up any UFC fanboy?............AO is in the ufc so by him signing that contract he automatically became "one of the best fighters in the world"...........everything else he had done prior meant nothing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: January 04, 2012 at 02:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

mabrown45 said:
magnuml said:
You are right and i like how you break it down. This site is blinded so much with alot of people that really think the UFC is the only organization worth anything. It is nice to see someone else appreciate what Overeem has done and has the potential to do. I like both fighter's alot but i hope Overeem win's and shut's up the UFC only boy's and wakes them up some more. momentum is on his side and considering this should be a stand up war my money will be on the current K-1 Champion. Either way one GREAT Fight!
Click to expand...
why would AO winning shut up any UFC fanboy?............AO is in the ufc so by him signing that contract he automatically became "one of the best fighters in the world"...........everything else he had done prior meant nothing.
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why would AO winning shut up any UFC fanboy?............ Because he came from SF and that according to most is the minor leages and the K-1 title ment nothing to them.
AO is in the ufc so by him signing that contract he automatically became "one of the best fighters in the world"...........Too many, yes. Read all the comments on the other threads. They act like it was a surprise he beat Brock. That is sad if you ask me. Come on Mr Brown you read these post on this site. They do world rankings and leave out anyone outside the UFC. I don't agree but i am stating facts.
everything else he had done prior meant nothing. according what i have read on this site i guess not. I did not know they gave away the K-1 title and holding the Dream and the SF HW titles were not a big deal. I guess anyone could do it. I have read comments saying the K-1 title was the easiest of all time and crap like that. Anything to take things away from him. I was glad to read something that really made sence and gave examples to prove the point.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Smasher170
Date: January 04, 2012 at 03:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Funny thing is the winner still might not be the number one HW in the world (Ranking wise definitely) The best HW could very well be the winner of the Barnett/DC fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Biggs
Date: January 04, 2012 at 03:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Awesome well thought out and original post.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chriscrowing
Date: January 04, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

The linear world title has been an ongoing concept in world soccer for a long time, whether dating from the first international match between England & Scotland or from the first world cup final - I like it because it's made Scotland a the 'technical' world champions a few times. Awesome.
I'd be very interested to see the Linear Lineages for the other divisions...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheCompany
Date: January 04, 2012 at 05:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

chriscrowing said:
The linear world title has been an ongoing concept in world soccer for a long time, whether dating from the first international match between England & Scotland or from the first world cup final - I like it because it's made Scotland a the 'technical' world champions a few times. Awesome.
I'd be very interested to see the Linear Lineages for the other divisions...
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https://sites.google.com/site/mixedmartialartsrankings/home/mma-world-title-history-linear/lightweight-title-history

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: whatdupdoh
Date: January 04, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

WTF Whenever I posted linear stuff everyone made fun of me
The linear belt and ufc belt will be unified

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: January 04, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

whatdupdoh said:
WTF Whenever I posted linear stuff everyone made fun of me
The linear belt and ufc belt will be unified
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Don't worry, I'll still constantly bash linear stuff

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: January 04, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

Linear title is not something original from me, so i wont take credit, but I just wanted to bring the thought of making full circle back to the UFC gold. You know it brings good discussion for smart mma fans.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: January 04, 2012 at 08:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

whatdupdoh said:
WTF Whenever I posted linear stuff everyone made fun of me
The linear belt and ufc belt will be unified
Click to expand...
Well the linear champ wasn't in the UFC or a can up until a few days ago. Now that he's the UFC #1 contender people will accept it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: January 04, 2012 at 08:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/linear-hw-champion-back-in-the-ufc.44450/

magnuml said:
mabrown45 said:
magnuml said:
You are right and i like how you break it down. This site is blinded so much with alot of people that really think the UFC is the only organization worth anything. It is nice to see someone else appreciate what Overeem has done and has the potential to do. I like both fighter's alot but i hope Overeem win's and shut's up the UFC only boy's and wakes them up some more. momentum is on his side and considering this should be a stand up war my money will be on the current K-1 Champion. Either way one GREAT Fight!
Click to expand...
why would AO winning shut up any UFC fanboy?............AO is in the ufc so by him signing that contract he automatically became "one of the best fighters in the world"...........everything else he had done prior meant nothing.
Click to expand...
why would AO winning shut up any UFC fanboy?............ Because he came from SF and that according to most is the minor leages and the K-1 title ment nothing to them.
AO is in the ufc so by him signing that contract he automatically became "one of the best fighters in the world"...........Too many, yes. Read all the comments on the other threads. They act like it was a surprise he beat Brock. That is sad if you ask me. Come on Mr Brown you read these post on this site. They do world rankings and leave out anyone outside the UFC. I don't agree but i am stating facts.
everything else he had done prior meant nothing. according what i have read on this site i guess not. I did not know they gave away the K-1 title and holding the Dream and the SF HW titles were not a big deal. I guess anyone could do it. I have read comments saying the K-1 title was the easiest of all time and crap like that. Anything to take things away from him. I was glad to read something that really made sence and gave examples to prove the point.
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Is cause mabrown is one of those fanboys you talk about. I dont judge him or bash him for that I just accept that he doesn't accept MMA concepts unless Dana said is okay.
as for everything else you say is true, I remember when Bas Rutten said Overeem was the number one HW after Fedor lost and we discussed it in this forum and it melted down, brutal hate towards Overeem, that he wasnt even top ten, even after he beat Werdum, then he signed with UFC and all the sudden he is accepted as a top 2 if not the top HW. I like guys that are opened to that idea....like IMO GIl is the best LW. But is not about Overeem proving UFC fans wrong but rather that "the linear title" is making its full circle back to the UFC top showing you that who ever hold that title was the best HW in the world and is not MMAmath but rather someone who beat the top guy at his best...........I cant wait for Overeem vs JDS, I got nothing bad to say about either fighter, and just praises