Manny vs. Mayweather

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoDogg
Date: November 24, 2009 at 01:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

I hate posting this on the MMA wagering thread, but since every book i have looked at only has 3 MMA fights up, i checked out the boxing bets. I saw Manny Pacquiao +115 vs. Mayweather -145. I jumped all over Manny at + odds because i can't think they will be available for long. Any thoughts on this fight. Seeing Manny break Cotto down completely, i think he owns Floyd.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheGreatAwakening
Date: November 24, 2009 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Mayweather has done a fantastic job of shaping his reputation as the world's best boxer. He wins convincingly, talks a big game, and avoids every tough opponent without being obvious about it. When Manny was essentially fighting even with Marquez I didn't think he could deal with Mayweather's size, but he's just so ferocious now....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sheriff
Date: November 24, 2009 at 02:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Floyd Mayweather will destroy Manny. At those odds I'd load up on "Money" because they will only get worse. Pacman is sloppy while Floyd has some of the tightest (if not the tightests) defense in all of boxing. He's the superior boxer on all fronts. The one and only advantage Manny has is power but when did you see Floyd hit clean? When have you seen him hurt? Floyd picks Manny apart to a late TKO or dec.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheGreatAwakening
Date: November 24, 2009 at 02:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

atteiaissas said:
Floyd Mayweather will destroy Manny. At those odds I'd load up on "Money" because they will only get worse. Pacman is sloppy while Floyd has some of the tightest (if not the tightests) defense in all of boxing. He's the superior boxer on all fronts. The one and only advantage Manny has is power but when did you see Floyd hit clean? When have you seen him hurt? Floyd picks Manny apart to a late TKO or dec.
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This is pretty much how I've felt until the last year or so. Then I start thinking about the guys Floyd has avoided- let's just say it gives me a *little* pause. Floyd is a welterweight. Also a welterweight: Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams. Floyd has fought none of them.
This quote from ESPN's Dan Rafael sums mayweather up pretty well in my opinion:
"In a pathetic attempt to discredit Pacquiao, Mayweather blathers on and on about how Pacquiao isn't undefeated and that he has been knocked out twice, without recognizing that those knockouts came a decade and seven weight classes ago, when Pacquiao hadn't even turned 21. Nor does Mayweather recognize that Pacquiao, who started his career at 106 pounds, is now knocking out prime, elite welterweights -- something Mayweather himself has never done because he has avoided the prime, elite welterweights of his time."
I'm not saying Floyd won't beat Manny. Afterall it's a huge payday against a naturally smaller man, so it's right up Floyd's alley. But if Manny gets inside and cracks him I'll be delighted.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fightadvice
Date: November 24, 2009 at 03:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

It's a tricky bet. Mayweather looks great against top level competition, but how about elite? I think that Pac will hit him more than he's ever been hit, but Mayweather's ridiculous evasiveness and impeccable timing will pull out a decision win. I hate the dude, but that's where my money is.
I think it will play out a lot like Shogun / Machida - people will get to see what it looks like when Mayweather gets rattled, but he will still win on points.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheGreatAwakening
Date: November 24, 2009 at 07:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

fightadvice said:
I think it will play out a lot like Shogun / Machida - people will get to see what it looks like when Mayweather gets rattled, but he will still win on points.
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Interesting comparison. When you box a dangerously violent puncher your best defense becomes a good offense, and my hope is that Manny forces Floyd to open up and fight. Everyone said Hatton would do that but Hatton just isn't even close to Floyd's class.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CoconutCenter
Date: November 24, 2009 at 09:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

TheGreatAwakening said:
fightadvice said:
I think it will play out a lot like Shogun / Machida - people will get to see what it looks like when Mayweather gets rattled, but he will still win on points.
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Interesting comparison. When you box a dangerously violent puncher your best defense becomes a good offense, and my hope is that Manny forces Floyd to open up and fight. Everyone said Hatton would do that but Hatton just isn't even close to Floyd's class.
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You'll also have to consider that Hatton isn't in Paquiao's class either. His fight was significantly more lopsided than Mayweathers. I also agree with the comment above that a year or so ago I wouldn't think Manny had a chance; Now however, I'd have to reconsider greatly. Believe me when I say Manny has a very good chance to hand him his first defeat. I believe this fight is close to 50/50, with that being said there is little EV+ with the current odds for Manny.
I've NEVER bet against Mayweather but this perhaps will be the first time if I see +120 on either side.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sheriff
Date: November 25, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

TheGreatAwakening said:
fightadvice said:
I think it will play out a lot like Shogun / Machida - people will get to see what it looks like when Mayweather gets rattled, but he will still win on points.
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Interesting comparison. When you box a dangerously violent puncher your best defense becomes a good offense, and my hope is that Manny forces Floyd to open up and fight. Everyone said Hatton would do that but Hatton just isn't even close to Floyd's class.
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Problem is that Mayweather is too smart to open up to a big puncher like Manny. He will enforce his gameplan upon Manny like he did to the rest laid back with his chin behind the shoulder. I don't like Floyd but Manny is target practice for him. He will utilize his longer reach and pepper Manny with jabs, hooks all day long until Manny can take no more. The difference here is overall boxing skill where Floyd excels. Fighters who can seriously challenge him will be the big guys like Williams or Margarito. The little guys (like Manny) don't stand a chance which is why I'm loving these odds. I expected -200 at the very best so I see lots of value here

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fightadvice
Date: November 25, 2009 at 05:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

put 2u down on mayweather @ +105

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: UKdonkbet
Date: November 25, 2009 at 08:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

fightadvice said:
put 2u down on mayweather @ +105
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Mayweather at +105?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: zY
Date: November 25, 2009 at 09:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Not betting on this fight right now regardless. Who knows if it will even happen this year and that's a long time to keep money tied up. Floyd probably wants to beat up on some cans first anyways while they argue about money all year.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: maniac218
Date: November 26, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Money Mayweather will beat Pac easily, and anything under -200 is a f---ing gift. Manny is a great fighter, and has had some good wins lately, but money Mayweather is on a whole different level and theres no way pac can beat him.Floyd is faster, smarter, has better defense, and a better all around game than Manny.If pac tries to turn the fight into a brawl he will get countered easily, and if the fight turns into a pure boxing match, hes f---ed and Floyd will pick him apart. I hope to god this fight happens and money Mayweather stays under -200, cause this will be the lock of the decade and super easy money on the p4p king, and the greatest fighter in boxing Floyd Money Mayweather!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: UKdonkbet
Date: November 26, 2009 at 01:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

maniac218 said:
Money Mayweather will beat Pac easily, and anything under -200 is a f**king gift. Manny is a great fighter, and has had some good wins lately, but money Mayweather is on a whole different level and theres no way pac can beat him.Floyd is faster, smarter, has better defense, and a better all around game than Manny.If pac tries to turn the fight into a brawl he will get countered easily, and if the fight turns into a pure boxing match, hes f**ked and Floyd will pick him apart. I hope to god this fight happens and money Mayweather stays under -200, cause this will be the lock of the decade and super easy money on the p4p king, and the greatest fighter in boxing Floyd Money Mayweather!!
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Worth a double digit unit play? like 10+? Assuming 1u is 1 to 2% of total roll, of course?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sheriff
Date: November 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

UKdonkbet said:
maniac218 said:
Money Mayweather will beat Pac easily, and anything under -200 is a f**king gift. Manny is a great fighter, and has had some good wins lately, but money Mayweather is on a whole different level and theres no way pac can beat him.Floyd is faster, smarter, has better defense, and a better all around game than Manny.If pac tries to turn the fight into a brawl he will get countered easily, and if the fight turns into a pure boxing match, hes f**ked and Floyd will pick him apart. I hope to god this fight happens and money Mayweather stays under -200, cause this will be the lock of the decade and super easy money on the p4p king, and the greatest fighter in boxing Floyd Money Mayweather!!
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Worth a double digit unit play? like 10+? Assuming 1u is 1 to 2% of total roll, of course?
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You bet. Like maniac said, this could be the lock of the decade. I'm guessing that as soon as this fight is official there will be lots of capital coming in on Floyd throwing him to the -300 area within a matter of hours

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fightadvice
Date: November 26, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

i'm in this for the long term, and no disrespect to anyone here, but i would never bet 10u based on an opinion i saw on an internet forum. if we're talking for personal enjoyment, then i'd throw a few hundred on mayweather. i think he'll win, to the point where i wouldn't mind leaving my money locked down for a year because IMO it's almost guaranteed 105% ROI.
statistically (as most on here know) it's not a smart move to lock 10-20% of your roll in one fight, no matter how sure you are of the result. i got mayweather at +105, and although i wanted to jump all over it i'm happy with 2u. manny is a hungry motherf---er and you never know what he'll do with a year to train. look at the improvements he's show recently, plus how motivated he'll be considering that it's one of the biggest boxing fights of all time etc.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: maniac218
Date: November 26, 2009 at 06:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Worth a double digit unit play? like 10+? Assuming 1u is 1 to 2% of total roll, of course?[/quote]
Definitely worthy of a monster play. If the line stays like this im probably gonna go all in, and consider taking out a loan to put more on Floyd, cause the value on this bet is insane, and there's no way hes gonna lose to pac.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: insomnia
Date: November 27, 2009 at 03:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

Guys, I think this fight is a lot closer than expected. At first thought, my gut instinct is Mayweather. But with a bit of review, I could easily go with Pacman. I'm no expert, but watching the Zab Judah / Mayweather fight showed how a speedy southpaw can give him trouble. Zab won the first half of the fight, but tired out and then floyd took over. Fighting a southpaw changes his guard style, have him throwing straight rights and lead hooks, two very telegraphed punches that Manny is fast enough to work with. I don't think Manny will gas within the 12 rounds either.
Consider the way they also both fought Hatton and De La Hoya, with Pacquiao finishing the fights sooner and more dominantly. Pacman definitely CAN win this fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sheriff
Date: November 27, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

insomnia said:
Pacman definitely CAN win this fight.
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If you're in attendance with a sniper I'd take the risk

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: maniac218
Date: November 27, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

insomnia said:
Guys, I think this fight is a lot closer than expected. At first thought, my gut instinct is Mayweather. But with a bit of review, I could easily go with Pacman. I'm no expert, but watching the Zab Judah / Mayweather fight showed how a speedy southpaw can give him trouble. Zab won the first half of the fight, but tired out and then floyd took over. Fighting a southpaw changes his guard style, have him throwing straight rights and lead hooks, two very telegraphed punches that Manny is fast enough to work with. I don't think Manny will gas within the 12 rounds either.
Consider the way they also both fought Hatton and De La Hoya, with Pacquiao finishing the fights sooner and more dominantly. Pacman definitely CAN win this fight.
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Have you watched Mannys fights with Marquez, he looked like s--- in both fights.The first fight was a draw, and the second fight was a razor thin 1 point split decision win. Floyd Mayweather on the other hand just came back from a 2 year layoff, and put on a boxing clinic against Marquez, he won every round, and completely dominated the fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: November 30, 2009 at 01:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/manny-vs-mayweather.19749/

I won't touch this fight as far as wagering but I sure do hope Pac-Man can pull this off as Mayweather has been the king of ducking meaningful fights while he had the rest of his douchebag family run their mouths. Is this fight even offical? I just don't see Mayweather actually taking a fight vs a contender after years of being a p----.