Margarito's hand wraps included ingredients in 'plaster'

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: March 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Shane Moseley's camp got the news they had already expected. A california crime lab received the gauze from boxer Antonio Margaritos hand wraps after Moseleys trainer complained before the January fight.
The lab confirmed the gauze had traces of calcium and sulfer (two key ingredients in plaster).
So far, Margarito and his trainer have been suspended for 1 year.
So, do you think this was an isolated incident. Has he done this before? Does this change your opinion of the Margarito/Cotto fight? And how widespread do you think this "practice" is in boxing?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: eazye
Date: March 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

I don't think its widespread but I do question how long Margarito has used this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: twsjajms
Date: March 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

phoenix-mma said:
Shane Moseley's camp got the news they had already expected. A california crime lab received the gauze from boxer Antonio Margaritos hand wraps after Moseleys trainer complained before the January fight.
The lab confirmed the gauze had traces of calcium and sulfer (two key ingredients in plaster).
So far, Margarito and his trainer have been suspended for 1 year.
So, do you think this was an isolated incident. Has he done this before? Does this change your opinion of the Margarito/Cotto fight? And how widespread do you think this "practice" is in boxing?
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I'd throw it in the same pool as guys who use steroids.
Does anyone REALLY think Sean Sherk didn't juice prior to the Franca fight?
Its been discussed about how these things have been broken down to a science and guys know what/when to do things to avoid detection - so my guess is this is not an isolated incident. As for how widespread it is I really have no clue - I don't follow boxing at all but I know the name Antonio Margartios - and if someone "I" know is getting caught then my guess is tons of people I have no clue who are are doing it.
My impression of Boxing is comparable to my impression of Baseball - a vast vast majority of the "players" are actually minor leaguers trying to break through - and when your choices are bus rides for hours on end to play double headers 4 days a week on the road - you are more willing to take a chance by breaking the rules to try and get that multi-million dollar deal, high priced hotel rooms, and plane ride, and to afford to bring your family along for the trip.
Which means to say I think cheating happens at all facets of sports, but in sports with huge minor league networks(unlike say Football who has practice squads which I bet are as thourghly tested as the regular pro's and no real minor league system) I am guessing cheating is systemic

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: The Green_Wombat
Date: March 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

twsjajms said:
I'd throw it in the same pool as guys who use steroids.
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Dude thats completely different. there is no United States law that says you cant wrap your hand in plaster, and I'm pretty sure no one has gone to jail for it. Steroids on the other hand is a drug in which many people have gone to jail for, lost there lively hood from and ruined an entire sport.
I dont think this is widespread at all though. I mean lets face it everyone cheats, everyone always does that little bit more to get them to the next level, I know i did in college while i was playing lacrosse. I mean the result would have gotten me a penalty maybe kicked out of a game but it was cheating none the less. I just feel like a lot more would be said about this if it was widespread.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

You can read the story here as well...
http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2418&p=229043&hilit=boxing+news#p229043
eazye said:
I don't think its widespread but I do question how long Margarito has used this.
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The fight before Mosley, he ko'd Cotto, which surprised most people... after these allegations came out, people pretty much put 2 + 2 together...
This is why i didn't care as much that Gsp had a smigeon of grease on him, to me taping your gloves is 10x worse than a little bit of grease or whatever...
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phoenix-mma said:
And how widespread do you think this "practice" is in boxing?
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In boxing that's why they have the other corner observe the boxer when he's getting taped up, if it wasn't for Mosley's guy, they never would have seen this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Rebuild
Date: March 28, 2009 at 01:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Is there something a fighter can eat/drink that makes him more slippery/sweaty (ie Shonie Carter)?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: March 28, 2009 at 01:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Sulfur has very distinct smell. So i don't know how you would let that slide. If i walked in to watch the opponents hands get wrapped and it smelled like rotten eggs i'd be like WTF??! I think most the hand wrapping is more of a psychological game played by the opposing trainer. Complaining about HOW its taped, wrapping/rewrapping just to get under their skin (ala Freddie Roach). However, with this kind of blatant cheating it takes it to a whole new level.
Sh*t, just think if Shane Carwin wrapped his hands in plaster under those 5XL 5ozers.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: justjustin
Date: March 28, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

I dont understand all this cheating in all these sports. Is it pressure to succeed? I would never cheat at any competition how do these people sleep at night knowing they are a fraud. I just dont get it between the steroids or filming football practices or plaster hands or just every week its like some scandal, why do people think they will get away with this stuff? I dont get it, people suck, and if I was ever at the losing end cause of my opponents cheating I would go to every legal length to make sure he got the absolute worst punishment he could get for the situation just to set a point.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: March 28, 2009 at 01:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

justjustin said:
I dont understand all this cheating in all these sports. Is it pressure to succeed? I would never cheat at any competition how do these people sleep at night knowing they are a fraud. I just dont get it between the steroids or filming football practices or plaster hands or just every week its like some scandal, why do people think they will get away with this stuff? I dont get it, people suck, and if I was ever at the losing end cause of my opponents cheating I would go to every legal length to make sure he got the absolute worst punishment he could get for the situation just to set a point.
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there is pressure to win at any cost in some circles. It's in part why sporting rules have to be explicit, and change from time to time because people will look at what the rules state, and figure out how to work around them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 00ireland99
Date: March 28, 2009 at 01:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

I think probs to Mosley's camp for pointing it out. Who knows how long it would of gone on for

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Ace23
Date: March 28, 2009 at 02:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Give Cotto a rematch.
Although Margarito didnt have anything in his chin, because thats what was holding him up against Cotto.
Cotto was landing some shots on him and he was walking right through his punches.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 28, 2009 at 02:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

AceTruth23 said:
Give Cotto a rematch.
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I agree. although it will have to wait at least a year till Margarito is off suspension.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: eazye
Date: March 28, 2009 at 03:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Needless to say, his career is ruined. It's gonna be awhile before he headlines a big card again

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: March 28, 2009 at 03:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

Jak said:
AceTruth23 said:
Give Cotto a rematch.
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I agree. although it will have to wait at least a year till Margarito is off suspension.
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I'd like to see a rematch. Even if the plaster played no role in the outcome of that fight, if i was Cotto's trainers i would keep pumpin that into his head. It's easier for Cotto to try and justify his loss if he feels the other guy cheated.
Not to mention, boxing needs something to hype.
Margarito/Mosely was the largest crowd to ever view an event at the Staples Center. With Oscar, Margarito, Hopkins all gone its in desperate need of something big. Too bad its gonna have to wait til 2010

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: March 28, 2009 at 07:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

WOW...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: March 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/margaritos-hand-wraps-included-ingredients-in-plaster.12001/

iceman22 said:
there is no United States law that says you cant wrap your hand in plaster
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Actually, I think that's in the same category as using brass knuckles.