Middleweight title picture

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: August 07, 2011 at 07:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

I wrote this for another thread but I felt it needed it's own.
Here's how I see it.
3 fighters have solid win streaks and have the best cases for a title shot. Stann, Munoz, & Bisping
2 fighters have lost to the champ but are coming off solid and impressive wins. Leben & Vitor
Then there's Sonnen.
The matchups.
Silva/Okami - Aug. 27th
Stann/Sonnen - Oct. 8th
Munoz/Leben - Nov. 5th
Bisping/Mayhem - Dec. 3rd
First and foremost the timing of Bisping/Mayhem f**ks up the timeline of s**t cause of Bisping's current status in the division.
Silva/Okami - If Silva wins then everything below is how it should go. If Okami wins then it just blowup the division in terms of options for his next fight.
Stann/Sonnen - If Stann beats Sonnen then he deserves the title shot hands down. 4 fight win streak with KO victory's over Leben and Santiago with a win over Sonnen is enough in my opinion. Now if Sonnen wins I feel he should have to win at least 1 more fight to get a title shot.
Munoz/Leben - If Munoz wins that puts him on a 4 fight win streak but I think that he would have to win 1 more to get a title shot. If Leben wins then I think it gets kinda complicated cause he would not deserve a title shot for the simple fact that Silva, Bisping, & Stann have already beat him. I think he would have to fight Vitor.
Bisping/Mayhem - If Bisping wins that puts him on a 4 fight win streak and I think that he could get a title shot based off of his body of work and on a solid win streak like when Koscheck got his (also the UFC stands to make a s**t load of money cause he is easily one of the most marketable fighters in the division and if they do it in the UK we're talking about a quick sellout.) If Mayhem wins then that's a solid victory and he would need a few more wins so pair him up with any of the other fighters named above.
What you guys think?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Galgorian
Date: August 07, 2011 at 08:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Sonnen/Stann is the number one contender regardless of what happens. Mayhem/Bisping isn't until way later in the year, so that knocks them out of the next shot. Sonnen holds a win over Okami already, so if he beats Stann and Okami beats Silva he is absolutely the number one contender in my opinion.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: August 07, 2011 at 08:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

here is the Middleweight title picture

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: August 07, 2011 at 08:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

:lol: so true
Hitman21 said:
here is the Middleweight title picture
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: August 07, 2011 at 08:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Ironically a year ago on this very day this happened.......
But anyway I digress from my point...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: August 07, 2011 at 08:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

RearNakedSlam said:
:lol: so true
Hitman21 said:
here is the Middleweight title picture
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yep..

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: August 07, 2011 at 09:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Galgorian said:
Sonnen/Stann is the number one contender regardless of what happens. Mayhem/Bisping isn't until way later in the year, so that knocks them out of the next shot. Sonnen holds a win over Okami already, so if he beats Stann and Okami beats Silva he is absolutely the number one contender in my opinion.
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Agreed. Regardless of the outcome, the number 1 contender should be the winner of Sonnen/Stann. Put Vitor against Leben/Munoz winner. ENTER DAN HENDERSON!!! Hmmmmmmm.....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Dethroner
Date: August 07, 2011 at 09:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

I would like to see stann vs sonnen be a number one contenders match and winner of bisping vs miller fight hendo for the second number one contenders match

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: condrab
Date: August 07, 2011 at 09:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

dengbat24 said:
Galgorian said:
Sonnen/Stann is the number one contender regardless of what happens. Mayhem/Bisping isn't until way later in the year, so that knocks them out of the next shot. Sonnen holds a win over Okami already, so if he beats Stann and Okami beats Silva he is absolutely the number one contender in my opinion.
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Agreed. Regardless of the outcome, the number 1 contender should be the winner of Sonnen/Stann. Put Vitor against Leben/Munoz winner. ENTER DAN HENDERSON!!! Hmmmmmmm.....
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Hendo stays at LHW.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Dethroner
Date: August 07, 2011 at 09:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

If okami wins is silvas reign as champion over for good ? Like what in the hell would happen if he loses I honestly would go with my wife on a long walk and just think about it yes I do love mma that much

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: August 07, 2011 at 09:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

My thing is why does Sonnen get a rematch if he beats Stann. Yeah he
ALMOST
beat Anderson in a ridiculous fight but he still got finished in the 5th round, got popped for elevated testosterone, got suspended, and at this moment hasn't fought in a year. So he gets one win and bam a title shot. That doesn't seem right.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheGlyde
Date: August 07, 2011 at 11:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Neonep said:
My thing is why does Sonnen get a rematch if he beats Stann. Yeah he
ALMOST
beat Anderson in a ridiculous fight but he still got finished in the 5th round, got popped for elevated testosterone, got suspended, and at this moment hasn't fought in a year. So he gets one win and bam a title shot. That doesn't seem right.
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Belfort hadn't fought in over a year and got a title shot, he hadn't fought at middleweight in over 2 years... So the layoff I don't care about, especially if he beats Stann, then he is no longer walking into a title shot with a big layoff.
On the drugs, yeah, he got busted and suspended, but he did his time, if he is clean in subsequent tests then it doesn't concern me that much.
Theres alot of unanswered questions from the first fight, and thats what rematches largely are about, finding answers to all the 'what ifs' people have been wondering since the first fight...
- How badly did Anderson's ribs affect his gameplan
- Can Chael take down Anderson that easily when clean
- Can Chael take down an Anderson with healthy ribs that easily
- Can Chael defend the submissions if he gets into a dominant position again
If we see Silva walk through Okami, then you're looking at Sonnen being the only person who has ever really given Anderson any kind of fight in the UFC, so who wouldn't want to see that again (if clean).
Then, on top of that, if Sonnen beats Stann, then he beats a guy on a 4 fight win streak with KO victory's over Leben and Santiago...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: August 07, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

TheGlyde said:
Neonep said:
My thing is why does Sonnen get a rematch if he beats Stann. Yeah he
ALMOST
beat Anderson in a ridiculous fight but he still got finished in the 5th round, got popped for elevated testosterone, got suspended, and at this moment hasn't fought in a year. So he gets one win and bam a title shot. That doesn't seem right.
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Belfort hadn't fought in over a year and got a title shot, he hadn't fought at middleweight in over 2 years... So the layoff I don't care about, especially if he beats Stann, then he is no longer walking into a title shot with a big layoff.
On the drugs, yeah, he got busted and suspended, but he did his time, if he is clean in subsequent tests then it doesn't concern me that much.
Theres alot of unanswered questions from the first fight, and thats what rematches largely are about, finding answers to all the 'what ifs' people have been wondering since the first fight...
- How badly did Anderson's ribs affect his gameplan
- Can Chael take down Anderson that easily when clean
- Can Chael take down an Anderson with healthy ribs that easily
- Can Chael defend the submissions if he gets into a dominant position again
If we see Silva walk through Okami, then you're looking at Sonnen being the only person who has ever really given Anderson any kind of fight in the UFC, so who wouldn't want to see that again (if clean).
Then, on top of that, if Sonnen beats Stann, then he beats a guy on a 4 fight win streak with KO victory's over Leben and Santiago...
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People keep talking about the hurt ribs like that is the end all be all to the fight. If his ribs were hurt that bad there is no way the AC would have let him fight. If he is healthy enough to fight then the ribs shouldn't even be mentioned, because everybody fights hurt.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheGlyde
Date: August 08, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

It's still a question that needs answering, if Anderson comes in without sore ribs, will we see him hammer Chael in the standup, will Chael take him down again, did the ribs have an effect on where the first fight took place, or was the whole thing an excuse thrown up later on etc.
I'm not leaning either way, I'm just saying it adds to the list of unanswered questions that could be answered with a rematch

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: August 08, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

TheGlyde said:
It's still a question that needs answering, if Anderson comes in without sore ribs, will we see him hammer Chael in the standup, will Chael take him down again, did the ribs have an effect on where the first fight took place, or was the whole thing an excuse thrown up later on etc.
I'm not leaning either way, I'm just saying it adds to the list of unanswered questions that could be answered with a rematch
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I suppose. I still think Sonnens wrestling is too good for Silva to stop the TD even if he was 100%, but thats why they do rematches and I can see where you are coming from.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: August 08, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

It gonna be interesting to see who ends up with the title shot. My guess would be the Stann/Sonnen winner because of how marketable each fight with the champ would be. If the champ isn't 100%, then I'd really like to see how Stann/Sonnen would do against Belfort or Bisping or Mayhem Miller.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: blacklung
Date: August 08, 2011 at 01:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Stann seems too robotic for anderson, but I think he'd put lots of pressure on Anderson standing. I don;t think he has the wrestling to do what Chael did.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Knippz
Date: August 08, 2011 at 02:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

Hitman21 said:
here is the Middleweight title picture
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+1mil, I lol'd.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chriscrowing
Date: August 08, 2011 at 04:26 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

The matchups.
Silva/Okami - Aug. 27th
Stann/Sonnen - Oct. 8th
Munoz/Leben - Nov. 5th
Bisping/Mayhem - Dec. 3rd
I mostly agree, but I see it thus.
Scenario 1. Stann wins, Munoz & Bisping win.
Stann gets title shot, Munoz & Biping face off in a #1 contender bout. (Sonnen vs. Leben/Mayhem is also doable, give Vitor a rising star coming off a win)
Scenario 2. Sonnen wins, Munoz & Bisping win.
Biping gets title shot (via marketability), Munoz & Sonnen face off in a #1 contender bout. (Stann v. Leben, Mayhem vs. Maia, again give Vitor another match)
Basically, if Stann wins, he gets the shot, if he doesn't win and Bisping does, then Bisping gets the shot. If both guys lose...
Scenario 3. Sonnen wins, Munoz wins, Mayhem wins.
Scenario 4. Sonnen wins, Leben wins, Mayhem wins.
Either way, Sonnen probably gets the title shot, unless Munoz knocks Leben out in whcih case he probably should. The other two guys face off in a #1 contenders match, Bisping gets the loser of Munoz/Leben etc. Gives us a batch of matches Silva/Okami vs. Sonnen/Leben/Munoz, Sonnen/Leben/Munoz vs. Mayhem/Vitor, Stann/Leben/Munoz vs. Bisping....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: August 08, 2011 at 04:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/middleweight-title-picture.41078/

TheGlyde said:
- Can Chael take down Anderson that easily when clean
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Why do you think he's going to be clean? He'll still be doing TRT. He'll keep his levels above the normal range for the majority of his training camp, then drop it down to an acceptable level for the fight. He's not doing anything illegal; he's just abusing a major flaw in PED rules.