Mike Swick vs Carlos Condit will determine # 1 contender

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Marktheshark
Date: July 15, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

I am relativly new to the forums here and im not new to mma im not sure if theres another thread about this but when i read the article on this i cringed because it is just ridiculous that two guy who i wouldn't even consider in the top 10 of WW are fighting for a shot to fight the champ GSP would man handle either one of them, swick has a little bit better shot imo because he has a punchers chance but seriously i know GSP would probably destroy any WW in the UFC at this point but these two wouldn't even be able to handle fitch or alves or even a BJ at 170 and GSP dominated all three of those guys this just angers me when people get title shots before they deserve them or before they are ready and its not going to be a fight worth watchign either of them get destroyed by GSP because the outcome is clear as day why would i waste my money to see what i know will happen when i can just watch a HL after

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: KillswitchKen
Date: July 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

I thought it was gonna be the winner of Swick vs. Kampman? I could be wrong though. And it wouldn't make sense to give Condit a title shot after one win, although they did do it for Brock, but he's in a much weaker division.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: metalmike00
Date: July 15, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Marktheshark said:
I am relativly new to the forums here and im not new to mma im not sure if theres another thread about this but when i read the article on this i cringed because it is just ridiculous that two guy who i wouldn't even consider in the top 10 of WW are fighting for a shot to fight the champ GSP would man handle either one of them, swick has a little bit better shot imo because he has a punchers chance but seriously i know GSP would probably destroy any WW in the UFC at this point but these two wouldn't even be able to handle fitch or alves or even a BJ at 170 and GSP dominated all three of those guys this just angers me when people get title shots before they deserve them or before they are ready and its not going to be a fight worth watchign either of them get destroyed by GSP because the outcome is clear as day why would i waste my money to see what i know will happen when i can just watch a HL after
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make sure you get the fights right before you post

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: July 15, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Veteran UFC welterweight Chris Lylte (27-17-5 MMA, 6-9 UFC) and former WEC welterweight champion Carlos Condit (22-5 MMA, 0-1 UFC) will meet at UFC Fight Night 19 in September.
In fairness, between Condit, Kampmann, or Swick, none are ready. Is there anyone else? no. but that doesn't mean that any of these guys are a good idea either. It'll be like Cote vs. Silva. you try to think of some way Cote will win, but everyone knows he won't. Same thing with Gsp against these guys.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: metalmike00
Date: July 15, 2009 at 01:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Jak said:
Veteran UFC welterweight Chris Lylte (27-17-5 MMA, 6-9 UFC) and former WEC welterweight champion Carlos Condit (22-5 MMA, 0-1 UFC) will meet at UFC Fight Night 19 in September.
In fairness, between Condit, Kampmann, or Swick, none are ready. Is there anyone else? no. but that doesn't mean that any of these guys are a good idea either. It'll be like Cote vs. Silva. you try to think of some way Cote will win, but everyone knows he won't. Same thing with Gsp against these guys.
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swick has a decent chance at winning. hes fast on his feet has decent take down d and has good jits. hes active no matter where the fight goes. hes fought bigger guys at middleweight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Marktheshark
Date: July 15, 2009 at 01:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

MY bad on that one i kampmann last fought condit idk why it came into my mine when i was thinking about the fight sorry

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafanatic
Date: July 15, 2009 at 01:10 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

metalmike00 said:
Jak said:
Veteran UFC welterweight Chris Lylte (27-17-5 MMA, 6-9 UFC) and former WEC welterweight champion Carlos Condit (22-5 MMA, 0-1 UFC) will meet at UFC Fight Night 19 in September.
In fairness, between Condit, Kampmann, or Swick, none are ready. Is there anyone else? no. but that doesn't mean that any of these guys are a good idea either. It'll be like Cote vs. Silva. you try to think of some way Cote will win, but everyone knows he won't. Same thing with Gsp against these guys.
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swick has a decent chance at winning. hes fast on his feet has decent take down d and has good jits. hes active no matter where the fight goes. hes fought bigger guys at middleweight
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I agree.
GSP is the best WW on the planet, but that doesn't mean guys don't "deserve" a title shot because they can't beat him.
Mike Swick has lost one fight in the UFC and that was to Okami, who's a top 5 MW and a huge MW. And, Swick didn't get destroyed in the fight. He's also definitely a top 10 WW.
Martin Kampmann just beat Condit. Yes, a VERY close fight, but a win. He also has a good record at MW, where he defeated Thales Leites a former challenger for the MW title and currenlty top 10 MW in the world. He only got destroyed by Marquardt, another Huge MW and currently top 2-5 MW in the world. He's also definitely a top 10 WW.
Jon Fitch and Thiago Alves, while both were OWNED by GSP they can come back and get another shot if they continue to grow and improve. Remember, GSP lost to Hughes in their first fight relatively quickly and won a disputed split decision over Penn after that. Since then, he's improved every fight, minus the freak Serra loss. Other guys should be given the same chances that GSP has gotten to prove themselves.
There are also younger guys like Condit, Larson, Johnson who could continue to grow and improve and eventually challenge GSP for the title.
GSP is the man! But, he still has to go out and continue to defend his title and THEN he can cement a legacy as the best WW of all time. FOR NOW, that title still belongs to Matt Hughes.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Marktheshark
Date: July 15, 2009 at 01:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

also i think that right now there rushing people into a GSP fight no one can handle him right now mabe in a year or so Fitch or alves could get another shot and possibly win or mabe in 2 years or so Anthony Johnson would have a decent chance beacuse he is big and has reach

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: hansard85
Date: July 15, 2009 at 02:10 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Yea, either of those fighters getting a title shot is pretty lame. The welterweight division has enough gatekeepers that this should not happen, i think a WW needs a previous win vs. Alves, Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Sera or Marquardt before they're even considered for a title shot. They should sign Shields and set up that big fight and give swick or kampmann one of the aforementioned gatekeepers to fight first. St. Pierre has absolutely mauled everyone he's fought, I'm literally sick of seeing him lay on people and dominate for 4-5 rounds, and that's guaranteed exactly what will happen to Kampmann or Swick. I'd rather see Hazelett fight him, at least that fight would be entertaining.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: July 15, 2009 at 02:29 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

None of the arguments put up about my comments are very persuasive. Kampmann got his a** kicked by McFedries before subbing a guy who sucks on the ground :roll: , beat Condit by trying useless submission attempts for 3 rounds but lost the stand up to a guy not known for his stand up :roll: , got stomped by Gsp's teamate Marquardt. Swick beat who? Jonathan Goulet? Ben Saunders? Josh Burkman? Marcus Davis, only because he was able to hold him down for 3 rounds.
Actually.... I stand corrected, you guys have made compelling arguments as to just much these guys "deserve" to fight Gsp when they likely wouldn't make it through the #2 or #3 fighters(Alves and Fitch) both of whom got absolutely decimated by Gsp.
Bravo. Standing ovation.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ArcArsenal
Date: July 15, 2009 at 04:18 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Marktheshark said:
I am relativly new to the forums here and im not new to mma im not sure if theres another thread about this but when i read the article on this i cringed because it is just ridiculous that two guy who i wouldn't even consider in the top 10 of WW are fighting for a shot to fight the champ GSP would man handle either one of them, swick has a little bit better shot imo because he has a punchers chance but seriously i know GSP would probably destroy any WW in the UFC at this point but these two wouldn't even be able to handle fitch or alves or even a BJ at 170 and GSP dominated all three of those guys this just angers me when people get title shots before they deserve them or before they are ready and its not going to be a fight worth watchign either of them get destroyed by GSP because the outcome is clear as day why would i waste my money to see what i know will happen when i can just watch a HL after
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jesus christ
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f---ing learn those.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheIceMan2010
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

I see the same thing happening with GSP as happened with Anderson. Barring a Serraesque type fight with the Swick/Condit winner, there will be noone left at WW that he hasn't already dominated ready to fight him yet. So, move GSP up to fight a top MW and by then maybe someone will be ready. Silva went up and whooped Irvin then came back down to take on Cote and Leites. Neither ended up being up to the task and I expect the same will happen to GSP, forcing him to move up yet again in order to get any type of challenge.
That is until Alves is ready for a rematch in another couple years. Maybe by then the same thing will happen as when GSP took over the reigns from Hughes in their second fight? :lol: Yeah, I know, pretty far fetched. Like I said in another thread, I think the big reach disadvantage is something that will always be too big an obstacle for Alves against GSP. Maybe with the five year age difference it won't be much of a factor when say, GSP is approaching 35 and Alves is approaching 30, but not until.
Yeah, I know, it's not just the reach, it's the total domination by GSP, it's just that punching power is Thiago's biggest weapon. But, it's like having a hand gun with the ammo locked in the hallway closet as a burglar comes through the front door.... it sure will look scary, but won't do any damage.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EnderWiggin
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Jak, what exactly does it take to
deserve
a title shot in your eyes?
Both of these guys have only 1 loss in the UFC, and none at WW, to go along with quite a few wins. Who in the division is more worthy?
We can agree that odds of beating the champ should be relegated to a tiebreaker between guys equally worthy right?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Doesn't matter who it is...GSP will dismantle either one.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: v1ct0r
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

If either of these guys can finish the other guy in convincing fashion, then it's gonna be easier to hype up the fight.
I think the fact that St. Pierre is so EXTREMELY talented that anyone else in the division who is considered and truly are talented look like noobs now.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

I see no problem here. Are they going to beat GSP? Well, that's not really the determining factor if they deserve a shot or not (besides, upsets do happen). They've beaten whomever was placed in front of them, with just one exception in each case involving very good, bigger fighters. Isn't Swick something like 9-1 in the UFC now? That deserves a shot. It is not like WW is just loaded with other guys who deserve a shot.
P.S. Just read Ender's post. Skip mine and just interpret it as "I agree with Ender."

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: EnderWiggin
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Big_Boy said:
Doesn't matter who it is...GSP will dismantle either one.
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I hate to be nit-picky, especially with someone I rarely disagree with, but I don't think the fact the GSP will dismantle either one = it doesn't matter who it is.
Especially when someone is is making a serious claim that neither of them should get the shot.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Big_Boy
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

EnderWiggin said:
Big_Boy said:
Doesn't matter who it is...GSP will dismantle either one.
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I hate to be nit-picky, especially with someone I rarely disagree with, but I don't think the fact the GSP will dismantle either one = it doesn't matter who it is.
Especially when someone is is making a serious claim that neither of them should get the shot.
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True!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Swick v kampmann winner gets the next shot
IMO with the lack of obvious contenders what the UFC does after GSP wins that match is
winner of Trigg v Kos will fight either Matt Hughes or Carlos Condit (would be Condit if he beats Lytle) and that fight will determine the next fight for GSP.
Im not saying this is the best , or that any of these guys would really pose a serious threat to GSP, just thats what I see the UFC doing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: vfrex
Date: July 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mike-swick-vs-carlos-condit-will-determine-1-contender.15362/

Jak said:
None of the arguments put up about my comments are very persuasive. Kampmann got his a** kicked by McFedries before subbing a guy who sucks on the ground :roll: , beat Condit by trying useless submission attempts for 3 rounds but lost the stand up to a guy not known for his stand up :roll: , got stomped by Gsp's teamate Marquardt. Swick beat who? Jonathan Goulet? Ben Saunders? Josh Burkman? Marcus Davis, only because he was able to hold him down for 3 rounds
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Eh, I mostly agree with you there Jak. However, I always thought of Condit as having good striking. He wasn't exactly fighting top notch strikers like Alves in the WEC, but his kickboxing was never really in question. Kampmann, on the other hand, has been marketed as a great danish kickboxer from early on. His wins against good opponents have come from his grappling.
I'm 85% confident that Swick TKO's Kampmann quickly. Even if Kampmann miraculously got by Swick, he would be outstruck and thoroughly outgrappled by the champ. Swick would just be taken down and pounded for 5 rounds by GSP. No real challenger here.