Miocic vs. Cormier - Set for UFC 226

Originally posted by: John8204
Date: January 29, 2018 at 05:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Neonep said:
If they really go with Stipe/Cormier, Johnson/Dillashaw, & Cyborg/Nunes all on one card then the UFC has truly lost its way. Feast and famine of the highest degree. Tie up 6 divisions in one night, no spread that s--- out that''s easily 3 legitimate PPV headliners. The UFC continues to be short sighted.
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Maybe so maybe not, the other logic is you take 6 medium draws tie them up on one night because you've got non-champion PPV main events planned for the fall.
May - RDA/Woodley
June - Davis/Montano
July - Stipe/Cormier, Johnson/Dillashaw, Cyborg/Nunes
July - Rockhold/Romero vs Whitaker
August - Holloway/Edgar vs Ortega
September - McGregor/Diaz III
October - GSP/Diaz II
November - Jones/Lesnar
 
Originally posted by: John8204
Date: January 29, 2018 at 06:40 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Another scary thought you've also got to consider 3-6 interim belts
Benavidez vs Cejudo
Garbrandt vs Rivera
Gustafson vs OSP
Werdum vs Velasquez
Anderson vs Holm
Pennington vs Shevchenko
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: January 30, 2018 at 01:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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John8204 said:
Maybe so maybe not, the other logic is you take 6 medium draws tie them up on one night because you've got non-champion PPV main events planned for the fall.
May - RDA/Woodley
June - Davis/Montano
July - Stipe/Cormier, Johnson/Dillashaw, Cyborg/Nunes
July - Rockhold/Romero vs Whitaker
August - Holloway/Edgar vs Ortega
September - McGregor/Diaz III
October - GSP/Diaz II
November - Jones/Lesnar
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And 1 injury causes massive issues.
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: January 30, 2018 at 02:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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cmvideo75 said:
Look at it this way.... they stack this card, they get 1.2M buys. Add in 2 other crappy PPVs at 250k each and they hit 1.7M buys total over the 3 events.
Or, they spread out the 3 fights and have 3 'normal' PPVs with quality main events but nothing else crazy on them. They each draw 400k buys (being generous, especially for a MM card) and that is 1.2M buys over the 3 events.
I think they numbers always work out in their favor when they stack events because not enough people buy the 'normal-good' PPVs or out-weigh one stacked event. I agree with you BTW.... it sucks for the fans and the consistency of the events as a whole, but they make more money this way.
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1 injury messes it all up. Also who would headline those other 2 crappy PPV's, 6 champs would be tied up.
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: January 30, 2018 at 02:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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I suggest everybody listen to Luke Thomas's take on this, pretty spot on with what I think also. This could have unintended consequences.
https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmrush...e-of-short-term-thinking-luke-thomas-explains
 
Originally posted by: BlairBones
Date: January 30, 2018 at 07:55 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Neonep said:
And 1 injury causes massive issues.
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Don't worry. John will give you a list of replacement fighters for each fight.
 
Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: January 30, 2018 at 08:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Neonep said:
1 injury messes it all up. Also who would headline those other 2 crappy PPV's, 6 champs would be tied up.
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They'll just make another interim belt lol
 
Originally posted by: Tum Tum
Date: January 30, 2018 at 09:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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NicoSuave said:
This is one of those rare times in which we get a Champion VS Champion fight that isn't just a straight cash-grab. They've both cleared out the best guys in their divisions, the only other two names that keep getting mentioned (Cain and JBJ) can't stay healthy and/or are morons, so they should get the opportunity to fight each other and see who's the better champion.
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This is absolutely a straight cash grab. It's just easier to justify. As much as I like this fight from a competition standpoint I hate it because it shows how lazy the UFC has gotten. Stipe won the belt in 2016 and the LHW Division has been Jones/DC since 2015. Why are the divisions so thin still?
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: January 30, 2018 at 01:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Tum Tum said:
This is absolutely a straight cash grab. It's just easier to justify. As much as I like this fight from a competition standpoint I hate it because it shows how lazy the UFC has gotten. Stipe won the belt in 2016 and the LHW Division has been Jones/DC since 2015. Why are the divisions so thin still?
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Cause the UFC has lost its way. I remember Joe Silva a long time ago said that the UFC isn't in the business of building champions, they are in the business of building contenders. They literally are not doing the latter at the moment. Dillashaw's name shouldn't even be in super fight talks. He needs to fight Rivera, Moreas, Cruz again, & Garbrandt again. There is a healthy line of contenders in that division. I don't trust WME to do things right the way Lorenzo & Frank did.
 
Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: January 30, 2018 at 01:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Tum Tum said:
This is absolutely a straight cash grab. It's just easier to justify. As much as I like this fight from a competition standpoint I hate it because it shows how lazy the UFC has gotten. Stipe won the belt in 2016 and the LHW Division has been Jones/DC since 2015. Why are the divisions so thin still?
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Who, right now in HW or LHW should be getting a title fight? JJ cleaned out LHW, including DC. Gus could say he has a chance, but he has had two chances against two diff champs.. HW has Werdum, another rematch. The time is right for this fight right now. HW has always been a thin division the only time it was not was when SF HW's came over but that didn't last long. LHW historically has been a good division but never very stacked. After Chuck lost it was fun for a while, again JJ cleaned it out. Both have some rising stars but no one really ready for a title shot.
Neonep said:
Cause the UFC has lost its way. I remember Joe Silva a long time ago said that the UFC isn't in the business of building champions, they are in the business of building contenders. They literally are not doing the latter at the moment. Dillashaw's name shouldn't even be in super fight talks. He needs to fight Rivera, Moreas, Cruz again, & Garbrandt again. There is a healthy line of contenders in that division. I don't trust WME to do things right the way Lorenzo & Frank did.
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DJ fighting TJ has way more to do with DJ moving away from 125 then TJ coming down.. DJ needs to move up and test himself again. I don't see any diff between how the UFC is now compared to the way it was a couple years ago.. The UFC has always had some title fights that don't always make sense. Randy coming off a L to HW.. Where he won again.. Chael at LHW.. As far as "super fights" I think the UFC has learned that if there is a hot fight to make they need to make it.. GSP vs Silvia was missed and I don't see the UFC making a mistake like that again. Right now DC vs Stipe is a fight where the champs have really no one waiting. DC is an undefeated HW and has no one at LHW. Stipe just broke the HW title defense record and really has no one waiting.. Again, DJ has cleaned out 125 and a fight against the 135 champ is the fight to make for him.
 
Originally posted by: Tum Tum
Date: January 30, 2018 at 03:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Sapper said:
Who, right now in HW or LHW should be getting a title fight? JJ cleaned out LHW, including DC. Gus could say he has a chance, but he has had two chances against two diff champs.. HW has Werdum, another rematch. The time is right for this fight right now. HW has always been a thin division the only time it was not was when SF HW's came over but that didn't last long. LHW historically has been a good division but never very stacked. After Chuck lost it was fun for a while, again JJ cleaned it out. Both have some rising stars but no one really ready for a title shot.
DJ fighting TJ has way more to do with DJ moving away from 125 then TJ coming down.. DJ needs to move up and test himself again. I don't see any diff between how the UFC is now compared to the way it was a couple years ago.. The UFC has always had some title fights that don't always make sense. Randy coming off a L to HW.. Where he won again.. Chael at LHW.. As far as "super fights" I think the UFC has learned that if there is a hot fight to make they need to make it.. GSP vs Silvia was missed and I don't see the UFC making a mistake like that again. Right now DC vs Stipe is a fight where the champs have really no one waiting. DC is an undefeated HW and has no one at LHW. Stipe just broke the HW title defense record and really has no one waiting.. Again, DJ has cleaned out 125 and a fight against the 135 champ is the fight to make for him.
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Sapper, it's not about who should be getting the next shot. It's about why the UFC is not trying to put contenders in the weaker divisions. Stipe's defended the belt 3 times and is already out of contenders. DC lost to Jones but defended the belt 3 times and he's out of contenders. Three? Three should not be the threshold for superfight category (or even 0 in TJ's case). The job of match makers is to create contenders and build divisions. I mean look at it this way.
You're telling me a company that can make a massive performance institute and sell for over 4 billion dollars somehow can't get the leverage to get out there and get contenders for their divisions? Why have all these shows like Dana White's Contender Series, Looking for a Fight and TUF if divisions are so dry that superfights seem like the most viable option? It's not good long term thinking. Yes, we get to see two of the best throw down but it doesn't solve the problem about the lack of contenders in the division.
 
Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: January 30, 2018 at 03:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Tum Tum said:
Sapper, it's not about who should be getting the next shot. It's about why the UFC is not trying to put contenders in the weaker divisions. Stipe's defended the belt 3 times and is already out of contenders. DC lost to Jones but defended the belt 3 times and he's out of contenders. Three? Three should not be the threshold for superfight category (or even 0 in TJ's case). The job of match makers is to create contenders and build divisions. I mean look at it this way.
You're telling me a company that can make a massive performance institute and sell for over 4 billion dollars somehow can't get the leverage to get out there and get contenders for their divisions? Why have all these shows like Dana White's Contender Series, Looking for a Fight and TUF if divisions are so dry that superfights seem like the most viable option? It's not good long term thinking. Yes, we get to see two of the best throw down but it doesn't solve the problem about the lack of contenders in the division.
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Contenders take years to emerge and be ready for a title fight. DC only has three defenses and is out of contenders because of what JJ did.. Stipe is out because he beat everyone on the way to the belt and it is HW the thinnest division in MMA, not just the UFC. There are always ups and downs in each division outside of maybe LW that has 200 fighters in it. I would rather see this fight now and let both divisions get some contenders then have DC or Stipe fighting guys way below their level.. Which we really just saw in both last fight. Contenders will rise in both over the next six months to a year.. Time off for both champs is what is needed to rebuild and get people ready for a title fight.
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: January 30, 2018 at 09:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Tum Tum said:
Sapper, it's not about who should be getting the next shot. It's about why the UFC is not trying to put contenders in the weaker divisions. Stipe's defended the belt 3 times and is already out of contenders. DC lost to Jones but defended the belt 3 times and he's out of contenders. Three? Three should not be the threshold for superfight category (or even 0 in TJ's case). The job of match makers is to create contenders and build divisions. I mean look at it this way.
You're telling me a company that can make a massive performance institute and sell for over 4 billion dollars somehow can't get the leverage to get out there and get contenders for their divisions? Why have all these shows like Dana White's Contender Series, Looking for a Fight and TUF if divisions are so dry that superfights seem like the most viable option? It's not good long term thinking. Yes, we get to see two of the best throw down but it doesn't solve the problem about the lack of contenders in the division.
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Sapper said:
Contenders take years to emerge and be ready for a title fight. DC only has three defenses and is out of contenders because of what JJ did.. Stipe is out because he beat everyone on the way to the belt and it is HW the thinnest division in MMA, not just the UFC. There are always ups and downs in each division outside of maybe LW that has 200 fighters in it. I would rather see this fight now and let both divisions get some contenders then have DC or Stipe fighting guys way below their level.. Which we really just saw in both last fight. Contenders will rise in both over the next six months to a year.. Time off for both champs is what is needed to rebuild and get people ready for a title fight.
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The HW and LHW divisions have been thin for years, especially HW. Look at Bellator's GP, it is loaded with non-HWs and aging fighters whose prime was years ago. There is a reason TUF rarely features HWs or LHWs...there simply is a lack of real talent. The deeper divisions (LW, FW, WW) tend to dominate TUF as there is more UFC level talent.
About the only thing the UFC could do is sign athletes (Former upper level wrestlers, star college football players, former NFL players) to train and then subsidize their competing on smaller cards while they develop. Maybe start with a developmental deal, a month with an option for a year, to allow guys to get a feel for training and see if they want to give it a go. Have guys sign with Fight Pass orgs like Titan FC to get their feet wet. I have no idea as to how that might work in terms of logistics and whatnot, but it is an idea. I would love to see them sign Minakov, but I think Bellator still has rights to his North American fights. If Blydes beats Hunt, I suspect he would face Volkov for a potential title shot.
 
Originally posted by: Tum Tum
Date: January 31, 2018 at 01:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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MysterLynch said:
The HW and LHW divisions have been thin for years, especially HW. Look at Bellator's GP, it is loaded with non-HWs and aging fighters whose prime was years ago. There is a reason TUF rarely features HWs or LHWs...there simply is a lack of real talent. The deeper divisions (LW, FW, WW) tend to dominate TUF as there is more UFC level talent.
About the only thing the UFC could do is sign athletes (Former upper level wrestlers, star college football players, former NFL players) to train and then subsidize their competing on smaller cards while they develop. Maybe start with a developmental deal, a month with an option for a year, to allow guys to get a feel for training and see if they want to give it a go. Have guys sign with Fight Pass orgs like Titan FC to get their feet wet. I have no idea as to how that might work in terms of logistics and whatnot, but it is an idea. I would love to see them sign Minakov, but I think Bellator still has rights to his North American fights. If Blydes beats Hunt, I suspect he would face Volkov for a potential title shot.
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Doesn't Bellator already sign athletes and to train and subsidize while they develop? However, the argument that Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight are thin is not a new argument. While I agree with that side of the argument such few title defenses should not be standard to develop super fights. I question the UFC's effort in developing the LHW and HW divisions. We are talking about divisions where guys like Travis Browne are still in the top 15. This doesn't even mention Bellator who outright sat on their HW division for years until they could get some UFC guys, and that's my issue with the fight.
It does not come across that the UFC or Bellator is giving a decent effort in building divisions anymore. It's about what ever fight sells the best automatically gets booked. This is not exclusive to LHW or HW either. The UFC hasn't even tried to build the Women's Featherweight division or given more consideration to building the Flyweight division. The same company that won't strip McGregor even though he has never defended a belt.
 
Originally posted by: liljoe6969
Date: January 31, 2018 at 03:54 PM
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I hope Cormier wins so the UFC heavyweight champ is a 5'10 fat guy, so casual fans will think this little guy is supposed to be the toughest man alive
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: February 01, 2018 at 12:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Tum Tum said:
Doesn't Bellator already sign athletes and to train and subsidize while they develop? However, the argument that Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight are thin is not a new argument. While I agree with that side of the argument such few title defenses should not be standard to develop super fights. I question the UFC's effort in developing the LHW and HW divisions. We are talking about divisions where guys like Travis Browne are still in the top 15. This doesn't even mention Bellator who outright sat on their HW division for years until they could get some UFC guys, and that's my issue with the fight.
It does not come across that the UFC or Bellator is giving a decent effort in building divisions anymore. It's about what ever fight sells the best automatically gets booked. This is not exclusive to LHW or HW either. The UFC hasn't even tried to build the Women's Featherweight division or given more consideration to building the Flyweight division. The same company that won't strip McGregor even though he has never defended a belt.
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Bellator has done so with Pico, but it is not a common thing for them. But again, how much developing can you do when there is very little talent out there? As I said, you see FW, LW and WW on TUF more than other divisions, that is because that is where most of the talent lies. I think the UFC expected the Flyweight division to bloom as they expanded into the Latin and Asian markets, but that simply has not happened.
Both the UFC and Bellator are building fighters in the divisions where the talent is available. I do think that the UFC needs to, as I previously posted, start thinking outside of the box and trying to build HW and LHW fighters from scratch.
 
Originally posted by: Iron
Date: February 01, 2018 at 02:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/miocic-vs-cormier-set-for-ufc-226.72182/
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Don't fall for the hype.
Cormier is an Olympic level wrestler and a natural born fighter. He will use his wrestling and striking to defeat Miocic.
Cormier will then give up the HW belt, go down and become the LHW champ again.
Cain will step up, beat Miocic for the vacant HW belt, and become the HW champ once again.
Khabib will become LW Champ.
AKA will be on top.
 
Originally posted by: Gallbladder
Date: February 01, 2018 at 06:12 AM
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Iron said:
Don't fall for the hype.
Cormier is an Olympic level wrestler and a natural born fighter. He will use his wrestling and striking to defeat Miocic.
Cormier will then give up the HW belt, go down and become the LHW champ again.
Cain will step up, beat Miocic for the vacant HW belt, and become the HW champ once again.
Khabib will become LW Champ.
AKA will be on top.
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If he wins the heavyweight belt then vacates it he wont have to win the light heavy weight belt back if he goes down lol
 
Originally posted by: BlairBones
Date: February 01, 2018 at 07:45 AM
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Gallbladder said:
If he wins the heavyweight belt then vacates it he wont have to win the light heavy weight belt back if he goes down lol
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You must be 'falling for the hype?'
 
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