MMA hierarchy?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RosenpheliaGodot
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

Rosencrantz:
I've assorted all those who participate in MMA into a hierarchy. It is as follows:
1. Fans- The $$$ of the fans drives the sport, without them the sport simply could not be. They are the sine qua non of MMA.
2. Dana White/Promoters- Without Dana and the promoters successfully running these business, fighters couldn't be employed, their abilities would go to waste in bars, clubs, and airport security.
3. Fighters- Without the fighters how could there be a sport?
4. Trainers/Coaches- They are important no doubt but its the fighters who actually get in there and do all the work.
5. The media- MMA writers are a truly pathetic lot as are all sports writers if you think about it. They only pester the fighters with interviews and questions. They infringe upon the purity of the sport and it's partially their fault that Diaz vs. GSP isn't happening; there is nothing more pointless, pathetic, and miserable than the MMA media (and I bet 80% of the people who "write" about the sport don't even train, explain that one to me.)
So what do you all think?
Godot: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

so why with all the theatrics?..........just make a "i hate the media" thread

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

RosenpheliaGodot said:
MMA writers are a truly pathetic lot as are all sports writers if you think about it.
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MMA junkie has one of the best in John Morgan.
It's somewhat of a glib perspective because at the very least MMA journalism has come a long way since the days when Sherdog ruled. When you see articles on fight paths, medical perspective, etc on MMA junkie, they usually have less than 30 posts, where as a smack talking article will have 100+ responses.
There's not a lot of money in MMA journalism(pre FOX) so only a few sights can have quality writers.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RosenpheliaGodot
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

mabrown45 said:
so why with all the theatrics?..........just make a "i hate the media" thread
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Rosencrantz:
Ahh but you fail to interpret the rest of the post! Yes the media are a loathsome group but you must also understand that the MMA fan is as much a god as the mma fighter, he/she just doesn't know it!
Who would the fighters be without the fans to idolize and worship them? Naught but broken, sad men who spent their lives beating up troublemakers (or making trouble themselves) at titty bars across the country only to die battered and nameless.
Godot: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RosenpheliaGodot
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

Jak said:
RosenpheliaGodot said:
MMA writers are a truly pathetic lot as are all sports writers if you think about it.
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MMA junkie has one of the best in John Morgan.
It's somewhat of a glib perspective because at the very least MMA journalism has come a long way since the days when Sherdog ruled. When you see articles on fight paths, medical perspective, etc on MMA junkie, they usually have less than 30 posts, where as a smack talking article will have 100+ responses.
There's not a lot of money in MMA journalism(pre FOX) so only a few sights can have quality writers.
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Rosencrantz: Some solid points, I'll admit, but what % of MMA fans know Morgan let alone LOVE him? Not to be "glib" as you said, but I bet that all MMA writers were to sad, unfit, untalented, etc. to be MMA FIGHTERS so they were forced to become MMA writers.
Even if this isn't true, they are more or less a waste since all they do is annoy the s--- out of the fighters. Even GSP said he despises the media. They are nothing but worms in his eyes. Is he right? I love the articles on Junkie and hate sites like BR and BE but I can't help but think the media is ultimately bad.
Godot: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

RosenpheliaGodot said:
mabrown45 said:
so why with all the theatrics?..........just make a "i hate the media" thread
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Rosencrantz:
Ahh but you fail to interpret the rest of the post! Yes the media are a loathsome group but you must also understand that the MMA fan is as much a god as the mma fighter, he/she just doesn't know it!
Who would the fighters be without the fans to idolize and worship them? Naught but broken, sad men who spent their lives beating up troublemakers (or making trouble themselves) at titty bars across the country only to die battered and nameless.
Godot: ...
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who says the fans don't know they are important?.........its pretty obvious that without fans sports are worthless..........again why with the theatrics?.....just post on how you hate the mma media

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: September 28, 2011 at 01:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

RosenpheliaGodot said:
Jak said:
RosenpheliaGodot said:
MMA writers are a truly pathetic lot as are all sports writers if you think about it.
Click to expand...
MMA junkie has one of the best in John Morgan.
It's somewhat of a glib perspective because at the very least MMA journalism has come a long way since the days when Sherdog ruled. When you see articles on fight paths, medical perspective, etc on MMA junkie, they usually have less than 30 posts, where as a smack talking article will have 100+ responses.
There's not a lot of money in MMA journalism(pre FOX) so only a few sights can have quality writers.
Click to expand...
Rosencrantz: Some solid points, I'll admit, but what % of MMA fans know Morgan let alone LOVE him? Not to be "glib" as you said, but I bet that all MMA writers were to sad, unfit, untalented, etc. to be MMA FIGHTERS so they were forced to become MMA writers.
Even if this isn't true, they are more or less a waste since all they do is annoy the s**t out of the fighters. Even GSP said he despises the media. They are nothing but worms in his eyes. Is he right? I love the articles on Junkie and hate sites like BR and BE but I can't help but think the media is ultimately bad.
Godot: ...
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people seem to idolize ariel helwani...........pretty creepy like too

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RosenpheliaGodot
Date: September 28, 2011 at 02:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

mabrown45 said:
people seem to idolize ariel helwani...........pretty creepy like too
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Rosencrantz: Exception to the rule and not really a writer like Morgan is. Ariel is more of a broadcast guy/interviewer.
Godot: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: September 28, 2011 at 02:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

RosenpheliaGodot said:
mabrown45 said:
people seem to idolize ariel helwani...........pretty creepy like too
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Rosencrantz: Exception to the rule and not really a writer like Morgan is. Ariel is more of a broadcast guy/interviewer.
Godot: ...
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you need to be more specfic..............
5. The media
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then you talk about writers...........so is it just the writers or media as a whole?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RosenpheliaGodot
Date: September 28, 2011 at 02:33 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

Rosencrantz: Everyone except Helwani (idk y people are so obsessed) and Megan Olivi/any other "hot chick"
Godot: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: September 28, 2011 at 02:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

I'm interested to see the next generation of trainers and coaches. All the top teams right now will likely be surpassed by new trainers and it will be interesting to see what's next.
With Tompkins passing, i wonder where the next striking coaches will come from. with less career boxing coaches and more streamlined striking, i wonder if we'll lose 5-6 strike combinations all together.
RosenpheliaGodot said:
Not to be "glib" as you said, but I bet that all MMA writers were to sad, unfit, untalented, etc. to be MMA FIGHTERS so they were forced to become MMA writers.
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Okay. I only go the Junkie, so i can't really debate.
But you're a little off in your perspective of MMA writers needing to be athletes. It would be better if there were proper writers who can write proper articles. Fighters blog all the time. Doesn't mean they write good because they're fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: September 28, 2011 at 03:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

RosenpheliaGodot said:
Rosencrantz: Everyone except Helwani (idk y people are so obsessed) and Megan Olivi/any other "hot chick"
Godot: ...
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Copper:
Do you really not see how the fighters, promoters, media and fans are interdependent?
Heart: ...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: September 28, 2011 at 03:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-hierarchy.42371/

CopperHeart said:
RosenpheliaGodot said:
Rosencrantz: Everyone except Helwani (idk y people are so obsessed) and Megan Olivi/any other "hot chick"
Godot: ...
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Copper:
Do you really not see how the fighters, promoters, media and fans are interdependent?
Heart: ...
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