MMA is Evolving with Hendricks, Weidman & Cain

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

The sport is evolving right before our very eyes. In the beginning it was jujitsu and the Gracie's that dominated the UFC. Then you had wrestlers with good sub defense like Tito, Couture, Hughes, etc... Eventually the strikers with great take down defense began to succeed like Chuck, Rampage, Penn, etc....
And now you have the new breed that are starting to take over in Hendricks, Weidman & Cain - Great wrestlers that can put you to sleep with their heavy hands. Hendo was the closest look into the future we had, but he became primarily a striker and never was really able to successfully combine both attributes the way these guys can.
Hendricks, Weidman and Cain know how to mix in both weapons.
It's the wave of the future.
As a Jon Jones fan, I hate to say it, but Glover Teixeira has the same weapons (heavy handed wrestler) as these guys. I'm smelling an upset.
And the great thing about this new breed - they're all fun to watch. Exciting times!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sunfish Hero
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Thak27 said:
The sport is evolving right before our very eyes. In the beginning it was jujitsu and the Gracie's that dominated the UFC. Then you had wrestlers with good sub defense like Tito, Couture, Hughes, etc... Eventually the strikers with great take down defense began to succeed like Chuck, Rampage, Penn, etc....
And now you have the new breed that are starting to take over in Hendricks, Weidman & Cain - Great wrestlers that can put you to sleep with their heavy hands. Hendo was the closest look into the future we had, but he became primarily a striker and never was really able to successfully combine both attributes the way these guys can.
Hendricks, Weidman and Cain know how to mix in both weapons.
It's the wave of the future.
As a Jon Jones fan, I hate to say it, but Glover Teixeira has the same weapons (heavy handed wrestler) as these guys. I'm smelling an upset.
And the great thing about this new breed - they're all fun to watch. Exciting times!
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Jones is heavy handed wrestler with crazy dynamic striking. I hope Texeira brings more to the table.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Sunfish Hero said:
Jones is heavy handed wrestler with crazy dynamic striking. I hope Texeira brings more to the table.
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Not really. Jones has never put anyone to sleep with his fists the way Hendricks, Weidman & Cain have. He really utilizes his elbows and kicks.
And don't go to sleep on Tex. I never thought he would out-wrestle Bader or take down Rampage with such ease. The guy has great tools.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 2_1up2_4down
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

I don't believe that the sport evolves, cause even with an influx of better athletes it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be better fighters. look at the NBA where the best athletes are picked for the sport from the beginning of High School, and there was a period where NBA players were no where near as skilled as guys from the '80's.
with MMA there'll be a changing of the guard and the the most common type of fighter in a division, but it doesn't mean that the sport evolved. Jones was that "new breed" even though GSP has long been that "new breed" and Rory was being billed as the new breed as well even though there's a guy by Jose Aldo whose trained MMA most of his athletic career.
there's great fighters and everyone else imo. and both come from an MMA camp that allows them to build an incredible MMA skill set that no one can match. then there's guys that come from another combat sport that can transition into MMA and cause of their individual attributes improve rapidly

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Are you really saying that JJ is not part of the new bread of fighters and Glover is? You do know that Glover is 34 or JJ is 26 right?
Other then that I agree to a point. We are starting to see the changing of the guard in MMA. There are way more young prospects now then ever, and a lot of them look like they could be future champs.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Pettis, Aldo, Cruz, & Barao poke holes in this idea.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Shawnd1901 said:
clearly they dont count lol
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Yeah and once Machida takes that title he won't fall into that category either.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Neonep said:
Yeah and once Machida takes that title he won't fall into that category either.
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But we already had the Machida Era...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Sapper said:
But we already had the Machida Era...
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What do you mean we HAD? We still in it, it hasn't ended.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sunfish Hero
Date: November 19, 2013 at 06:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Neonep said:
Pettis, Aldo, Cruz, & Barao poke holes in this idea.
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Great point, with Team Alpha Male filling out those smaller weightclasses, they obvious representatives (especially since Ludwig started coaching) of that heavy-handed wrestler archetype and they can't seen to get hands on the the high intensity, agile strikers.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: magnuml
Date: November 19, 2013 at 07:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Don't forget DC.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

I think many of the wrestlers have made the quickest adjustments to the ever evolving world of mma.
Prime example: Think back to the 1st season of TUF. Koscheck was nothing more than a 'hump you for 5 minutes at a time' former college wrestler. That was part of the reason Leben hated him. But then he suddenly had decent striking against McLovin, Yoshida and Trigg. He was now a threat to end the fight with 1 punch.
Cain and Weidman are a bit more well-rounded, but have a wrestling base and being able to dictate where the fight takes place is a huge advantage in mma. Probably mores so than any other discipline.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

ummm no

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

2_1up2_4down said:
Jones was that "new breed" even though GSP has long been that "new breed" and Rory was being billed as the new breed as well
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This here is my point. I never believed Rory was the new breed. His hands aren't heavy enough.
And Jones and GSP have succeeded by being more athletic and physically gifted than everyone else. I think that's starting to change. Lets see how Jones does against Tex.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Neonep said:
Pettis, Aldo, Cruz, & Barao poke holes in this idea.
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I don't count Lightweights. Hands are usually too small and there just aren't too many heavy handed wrestlers around in these divisions.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

magnuml said:
Don't forget DC.
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Don't know enough about DC. Has he ever put anyone to sleep (with his hands)? Haven't seen it in the UFC so far.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: November 19, 2013 at 08:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Thak27 said:
I don't count Lightweights. Hands are usually too small and there just aren't too many heavy handed wrestlers around in these divisions.
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soooo...the sport is evolving, except for in the weightclasses with dominant champs that don't fit your argument?
nice.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 2_1up2_4down
Date: November 19, 2013 at 09:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Thak27 said:
This here is my point. I never believed Rory was the new breed. His hands aren't heavy enough.
And Jones and GSP have succeeded by being more athletic and physically gifted than everyone else. I think that's starting to change. Lets see how Jones does against Tex.
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here's something to consider, Cain and DC have that AKA style that it's more gifted athletes have used, guys like Thomson for example. Weidman being with Serra has the resources from affiliate gyms and trainers to learn stand up and BJJ. if Jones went to American Top Team or Team Quest he would be a different fighter, MMA camps play a big part.
it's based on the division and the camps that have the most influence.
that's why I stated that MMA has 2 different types of fighters, guys that come up from learning MMA and guys that come up after having experience at another combat sport.
for all we know 5 years from now the most common type of champ will be guys similar to Brandon Thatch.
wrestling, BJJ, Sambo will always be the best martial arts to transition to MMA cause of how it relates to MMA. so we'll always have guys with those skills as a starting base but they still have to build a skill set that makes them a threat everywhere. fighters with a striking base have to build a skill set that makes them an all around fighter as well, but cause of how much it takes to master a stand up martial art we'll never see a big influx of guys from those combat sports unless they try to master it at an early age while also learnng other MMA skills, large camps like Nova Uniao provide that.
it's why i stated it's not so much about new breed or evolution, just the era of the division and the great ones from that era that we can look at

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Thak27
Date: November 19, 2013 at 09:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Sapper said:
Are you really saying that JJ is not part of the new bread of fighters and Glover is? You do know that Glover is 34 or JJ is 26 right?
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Put the age aside and look at the skill set. I think Jones is not going to have an easy time taking Glover to the ground and standing with him for 5 rounds is dangerous. To me this fight has a similar feel to the GSP-Hendricks fight we just saw.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 2_1up2_4down
Date: November 19, 2013 at 09:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-is-evolving-with-hendricks-weidman-cain.59990/

Thak27 said:
Don't know enough about DC. Has he ever put anyone to sleep (with his hands)? Haven't seen it in the UFC so far.
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Big Foot Silva fight. he's also still learning, remember at one point Cain was getting the rep of as having pillow hands, but as he improved so did his power