MMA "Unlikely" to Get Sanctioned in NY This Year!

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Originally posted by: ~BUDO~
Date: May 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

BY KENNETH LOVETT / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan) signed off on a secret settlement with two women who made sexual harassment claims against former Assemblyman Vito Lopez rather than refer the matter to an ethics committee.
ALBANY — The drive to legalize Mixed Martial Arts in New York is likely to become a new casualty of the Vito Lopez sexual harassment scandal.
Women’s groups that have long opposed the sport, calling it sexist and barbaric, are upset at Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver for his mishandling of sexual harassment complaints against Lopez.
A source close to Silver said passing a mixed martial arts law now might further inflame the women’s groups — as well as exacerbate tensions between Silver and several assemblywomen that have developed since the scandal.
“I don’t think this is the year,” the source said. “I think it’s unlikely.”
Lopez (D-Brooklyn) resigned from the Assembly last week after two investigations accused him of inappropriate conduct toward eight female staffers.
The investigations also faulted Silver (D-Manhattan), finding that he signed off on a secret $103,000 settlement to two of the women rather than refer their harassment complaints to an ethics committee, as required by Assembly rules.
A source close to Silver also says a push to legalize mixed martial arts could further alienate female assembly members.
New York and Connecticut remain the only two states that ban MMA. The state Senate has repeatedly voted to legalize the sport, only to see the legislation die in the Democratic-controlled Assembly.
During a closed-door discussion last year, Silver cut off debate and called it a draw even though the bulk of those who spoke supported the bill, sources said. The bill never reached the floor for a vote.
But promoters of the controversial sport seemed to be making headway this year in getting New York to lift its ban, especially after Gov. Cuomo said in March that “It’s something we’re looking at as a possible source of revenue.”
Silver is expected to discuss the matter with his Democratic members next week. “The question is does he do what he did last year or does he play it straight?” said one MMA supporter.
One factor may be that opponents feel more strongly about the issue than supporters, sources said. Some of those opponents are close to Silver, such as Assemblywoman Deborah Glick of Manhattan.
Assembly bill sponsor Francisco Moya (D-Queens) acknowledged that MMA has “become an issue that’s raised real concern among the female legislators.”
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There is clearly more to this story but the reality of the situation is that the Fertittas get no love in NY, mostly because of their union issues.
This is another example of Zuffa's dominance being a problem. Their are other promoters in the sport, albeit much smaller, that all can't do shows in NY because of the baggage of Zuffa and the Fertittas. Besides the HUGE, historic UFC show at MSG, locals like me are missing out on all the really small shows that could happen at venues all over NYC and the rest ofthe state.
As usual, we are in a wait and see mode but it doesn't look good again this year
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: May 28, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

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Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: May 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

MMA does not need NY to continue its success. I do feel bad for all the fighters out of that area that have not got the opportunity (yet at least) the opportunity to fight in their home state.
 
Originally posted by: C-Me-No-More
Date: May 28, 2013 at 01:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

Seriously NY must hate the thought of getting extra money with the amount the UFC brings in for each city
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: May 28, 2013 at 01:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

I think NY legislature has become as anti-business as my state legislature in North Carolina.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: May 28, 2013 at 01:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

BUDO-MMA-NYC said:
BY KENNETH LOVETT / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan) signed off on a secret settlement with two women who made sexual harassment claims against former Assemblyman Vito Lopez rather than refer the matter to an ethics committee.
ALBANY — The drive to legalize Mixed Martial Arts in New York is likely to become a new casualty of the Vito Lopez sexual harassment scandal.
Women’s groups that have long opposed the sport, calling it sexist and barbaric, are upset at Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver for his mishandling of sexual harassment complaints against Lopez.
A source close to Silver said passing a mixed martial arts law now might further inflame the women’s groups — as well as exacerbate tensions between Silver and several assemblywomen that have developed since the scandal.
“I don’t think this is the year,” the source said. “I think it’s unlikely.”
Lopez (D-Brooklyn) resigned from the Assembly last week after two investigations accused him of inappropriate conduct toward eight female staffers.
The investigations also faulted Silver (D-Manhattan), finding that he signed off on a secret $103,000 settlement to two of the women rather than refer their harassment complaints to an ethics committee, as required by Assembly rules.
A source close to Silver also says a push to legalize mixed martial arts could further alienate female assembly members.
New York and Connecticut remain the only two states that ban MMA. The state Senate has repeatedly voted to legalize the sport, only to see the legislation die in the Democratic-controlled Assembly.
During a closed-door discussion last year, Silver cut off debate and called it a draw even though the bulk of those who spoke supported the bill, sources said. The bill never reached the floor for a vote.
But promoters of the controversial sport seemed to be making headway this year in getting New York to lift its ban, especially after Gov. Cuomo said in March that “It’s something we’re looking at as a possible source of revenue.”
Silver is expected to discuss the matter with his Democratic members next week. “The question is does he do what he did last year or does he play it straight?” said one MMA supporter.
One factor may be that opponents feel more strongly about the issue than supporters, sources said. Some of those opponents are close to Silver, such as Assemblywoman Deborah Glick of Manhattan.
Assembly bill sponsor Francisco Moya (D-Queens) acknowledged that MMA has “become an issue that’s raised real concern among the female legislators.”
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There is clearly more to this story but the reality of the situation is that the Fertittas get no love in NY, mostly because of their union issues.
This is another example of Zuffa's dominance being a problem. Their are other promoters in the sport, albeit much smaller, that all can't do shows in NY because of the baggage of Zuffa and the Fertittas. Besides the HUGE, historic UFC show at MSG, locals like me are missing out on all the really small shows that could happen at venues all over NYC and the rest ofthe state.
As usual, we are in a wait and see mode but it doesn't look good again this year
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That is an incredibly odd story. I really don't see what this sexual harassment issue has anything to do with MMA in New York.
ZUFFA's dominance isn't the problem. That story you posted didn't even talk about unions and the Fertitas. ZUFFA is the company that has more or less spearheaded the move to regulation and legalization in New York for the last several years.
The real problem BUDO are these antiquated and close-minded politicans who cow tow to these marginal special interest groups. You act like there are all these small promoters who aren't able to run shows in New York because of ZUFFA. Your arguments BUDO never make sense.
 
Originally posted by: ~BUDO~
Date: May 28, 2013 at 02:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

TheVileOne said:
That is an incredibly odd story. I really don't see what this sexual harassment issue has anything to do with MMA in New York.
ZUFFA's dominance isn't the problem. That story you posted didn't even talk about unions and the Fertitas. ZUFFA is the company that has more or less spearheaded the move to regulation and legalization in New York for the last several years.
The real problem BUDO are these antiquated and close-minded politicans who cow tow to these marginal special interest groups. You act like there are all these small promoters who aren't able to run shows in New York because of ZUFFA. Your arguments BUDO never make sense.
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I guess you didn't understand my point. What I meant was that this story IS odd and basically a fabricated diversion of the real issue which is the Fetitta union issue and the strength of unions in NY that are blocking sanctioning from happening.
That being the case, it is absolute truth that smaller promotions can't do shows in NY because of Zuffa's dominance. If Zuffa sold the UFC to anyone without baggage and union problems, MMA would be immediately sanctioned at the next vote, GUARANTEED!
Dana himself has stated that that's the reason MMA is still illegal here. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the sport itself, it's solely about the OWNERS of the UFC. The UFC isn't the only show but unfortunatley the ENTIRE sport suffers. If you can't see this reality, you clearly are not properly informed on the situation.
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: May 28, 2013 at 02:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

Sure, blame it on the women lol, how convenient....I guess it worked in the Bible, ya know the whole Adam and Eve thing, so it must hold water??? Very bizarre regardless, and smells a lot like BullSh!t to me!​
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: May 28, 2013 at 05:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

BUDO-MMA-NYC said:
I guess you didn't understand my point. What I meant was that this story IS odd and basically a fabricated diversion of the real issue which is the Fetitta union issue and the strength of unions in NY that are blocking sanctioning from happening.
That being the case, it is absolute truth that smaller promotions can't do shows in NY because of Zuffa's dominance. If Zuffa sold the UFC to anyone without baggage and union problems, MMA would be immediately sanctioned at the next vote, GUARANTEED!
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Gimme a break. If MMA is ever regulated in New York it will be in large part because of ZUFFA and then small promoters will be able to start promoting shows as well. I doubt you would ever acknowledge that though.
Dana himself has stated that that's the reason MMA is still illegal here. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the sport itself, it's solely about the OWNERS of the UFC. The UFC isn't the only show but unfortunately the ENTIRE sport suffers. If you can't see this reality, you clearly are not properly informed on the situation.
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I am properly informed. Why should UFC and ZUFFA cowtow to corrupt union scumbags from Nevada who are mis-using their funding and union dues from the members? Even though UFC likely brings work to tons of union members throughout the country.
You say the sport is suffering, I say that is malarkey. MMA is regulated in 48 states how. How many was it regulated in 5 years ago Budo? UFC has brought the show all over the world, including China and the Middle East.
The one who is not properly informed is you. You are only looking at this through your anti-ZUFFA prism.
The sport continues to grow and get better without New York. New York will inevitably happen, and then you will have less ammo then ever before.
Yeah, UFC signed a gigantic deal with Fox and they are going to be the main content on Fox Sports 1. Yup sport is definitely suffering right now. What a joke.
 
Originally posted by: ~BUDO~
Date: May 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

TheVileOne said:
Gimme a break. If MMA is ever regulated in New York it will be in large part because of ZUFFA and then small promoters will be able to start promoting shows as well. I doubt you would ever acknowledge that though.
I am properly informed. Why should UFC and ZUFFA cowtow to corrupt union scumbags from Nevada who are mis-using their funding and union dues from the members? Even though UFC likely brings work to tons of union members throughout the country.
You say the sport is suffering, I say that is malarkey. MMA is regulated in 48 states how. How many was it regulated in 5 years ago Budo? UFC has brought the show all over the world, including China and the Middle East.
The one who is not properly informed is you. You are only looking at this through your anti-ZUFFA prism.
The sport continues to grow and get better without New York. New York will inevitably happen, and then you will have less ammo then ever before.
Yeah, UFC signed a gigantic deal with Fox and they are going to be the main content on Fox Sports 1. Yup sport is definitely suffering right now. What a joke.
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When did I ever say the sport is suffering?
When did I ever say Zufffa hasn't done amazing things for the sport?
All I said is TRUTH, which is that MMA isn't LEGAL in New York state because of the owners of the UFC not using union workers at their casinos/hotels in Vegas. As I stated already, DW has said the exact same thing publicly many times.
So what's your argument again?!?
 
Originally posted by: C-Me-No-More
Date: May 29, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

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Originally posted by: Desalvatore
Date: May 29, 2013 at 03:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

This Lopez guy needs a good jimmy kick throat punch combo.
 
Originally posted by: NicoSuave
Date: May 29, 2013 at 03:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

I'm beginning to understand why the Democratic Party is referred to a lot with the term "nanny state"...
Thanks New York for making Team Blue look like retarded bitches.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: May 29, 2013 at 04:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

BUDO-MMA-NYC said:
When did I ever say the sport is suffering?
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You said it right here dude:
The UFC isn't the only show but unfortunately the ENTIRE sport suffers
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When did I ever say Zufffa hasn't done amazing things for the sport?
All I said is TRUTH, which is that MMA isn't LEGAL in New York state because of the owners of the UFC not using union workers at their casinos/hotels in Vegas. As I stated already, DW has said the exact same thing publicly many times.
So what's your argument again?!?
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Yeah it's not the UFC and union workers. It's Station Casinos not using union workers. So you know that's bunk and you are making stuff up now Budo.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: June 05, 2013 at 08:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

MMA now regulated and legal in 49 states and all of Canada. New York is the last one left. So what do you have to say about that now Budo?
 
Originally posted by: Brick
Date: June 05, 2013 at 09:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

Snore.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 05, 2013 at 09:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

just don't give a crap about New York and their mma.........still illegal? boo freakin whoo
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: June 05, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

Not surprised at all and quite frankly, don't care that much. It'll come in time...just obstacles. We have great fights happening soon, I don't care where they happen really.
 
Originally posted by: Neonep
Date: June 06, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

Sucks for the fighters, fans, & organizations. I was there at UFC on Fox 7 and it sucks knowing that the fans in NYC can't enjoy that.
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: June 06, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mma-unlikely-to-get-sanctioned-in-ny-this-year.55101/

I'm not gonna lie it would be pretty awesome to have a mega event at the Garden but its definitely not pertinent to MMA if New York doesn't want to join the party. It's beyond ridiculous no matter what the excuse is. I say screw em, and come to Atlantic City more often...that would work for me !
 
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