Most common misconceptions from fans, fighters etc

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: November 01, 2009 at 08:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

Since MMA exploded there has been tons of misconceptions out there about MMA and the action inside the ring or cage. Im not talking about the haters out there that call it c--- fighting etc etc etc. Im talking about fans, participants and their camps who just do not realize things about MMA that are reality. Here are some that I have noticed, feel free to add too it.
1 - The promotions hire refs Seen fighters and fans make this mistake
2 - the promotions hire judges seen fighters and fans make this mistake
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
4 - you get 5 minutes to shake off any illegal move - This is a big one that we have seen debated several times and the refs tell us each time those thinking this are wrong. You only get this technically for a groin strike.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafan0702
Date: November 01, 2009 at 09:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

1 - the misconception that Shogun beat Machida.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: November 01, 2009 at 09:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

AndreEmelianenkovski said:
1 - the misconception that Shogun beat Machida.
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Machida clearly beat Shogun, that's why he's still the champion!
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Just in reference to your #3, a knockdown doesn't mean a 10-8 round, but the influence of boxing really persists here and colors the scoring. In my mind, locking in a submission, even if the guy gets out of it, should be as good as a knockdown, but if you want two fighters and one guy spends 3 and a half minutes trying various submissions on the other guy and then they get up and he gets knocked down one or twice in 90 seconds, they give the round to the guy with the better stand-up showing. There is so much work to be done to appreciate good groundwork in judging fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JunkieDog
Date: November 01, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

Roclawzi said:
AndreEmelianenkovski said:
1 - the misconception that Shogun beat Machida.
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Machida clearly beat Shogun, that's why he's still the champion!
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Just in reference to your #3, a knockdown doesn't mean a 10-8 round, but the influence of boxing really persists here and colors the scoring. In my mind, locking in a submission, even if the guy gets out of it, should be as good as a knockdown, but if you want two fighters and one guy spends 3 and a half minutes trying various submissions on the other guy and then they get up and he gets knocked down one or twice in 90 seconds, they give the round to the guy with the better stand-up showing. There is so much work to be done to appreciate good groundwork in judging fights.
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Why did you comment on it, then? Besides, that's what he was saying..... that Shogun "really" winning is a misconception.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chase316
Date: November 01, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

AndreEmelianenkovski said:
1 - the misconception that Shogun beat Machida.
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Dude I give you about a week before you get banned, every statement you have made in other posts has the look of Troll over it.
Back to the issue
Not sure if this works, but I don't really understand why a fighter argues with a ref after bad call? The Ref can't start the fight back up, and has there ever been a Stoppage that has been overturned? I understand there anger and emotions from losing a fight that they believe shouldn't have been stopped, but arguing with the ref accomplishes nothing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: November 01, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

JunkieDog said:
Roclawzi said:
AndreEmelianenkovski said:
1 - the misconception that Shogun beat Machida.
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Machida clearly beat Shogun, that's why he's still the champion!
thread derailment in 3...2...1....
Just in reference to your #3, a knockdown doesn't mean a 10-8 round, but the influence of boxing really persists here and colors the scoring. In my mind, locking in a submission, even if the guy gets out of it, should be as good as a knockdown, but if you want two fighters and one guy spends 3 and a half minutes trying various submissions on the other guy and then they get up and he gets knocked down one or twice in 90 seconds, they give the round to the guy with the better stand-up showing. There is so much work to be done to appreciate good groundwork in judging fights.
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Why did you comment on it, then? Besides, that's what he was saying..... that Shogun "really" winning is a misconception.
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I was mockingly cheering him on while predicting that the thread would devolve into a big argument over the fight. Personally I don't care at this point, the winner was Machida and I can't wait to see the rematch.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: filipino
Date: November 01, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

Reako said:
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
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While it is true that this is neither technically nor necessarily true, it is, IMO, a good starting place for scoring a round. 10-8 rounds, and 10-10 draw rounds, should both happen a lot more often than they do.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: sirgerbil
Date: November 01, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

filipino said:
Reako said:
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
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While it is true that this is neither technically nor necessarily true, it is, IMO, a good starting place for scoring a round. 10-8 rounds, and 10-10 draw rounds, should both happen a lot more often than they do.
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that's true, there's really no point in having a 10-point must scoring system if every single round ends up 10-9 anyways. You might as well tally up the rounds.
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafan0702
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

sirgerbil said:
filipino said:
Reako said:
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
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While it is true that this is neither technically nor necessarily true, it is, IMO, a good starting place for scoring a round. 10-8 rounds, and 10-10 draw rounds, should both happen a lot more often than they do.
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that's true, there's really no point in having a 10-point must scoring system if every single round ends up 10-9 anyways. You might as well tally up the rounds.
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.
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Didn't Machida 30-21 Ortiz?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

Hmmmmm, I could be wrong but I thought that an eye poke warranted a 5 minute delay??? If needed!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheREALOmoPlata
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

sirgerbil said:
filipino said:
Reako said:
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
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While it is true that this is neither technically nor necessarily true, it is, IMO, a good starting place for scoring a round. 10-8 rounds, and 10-10 draw rounds, should both happen a lot more often than they do.
Click to expand...
that's true, there's really no point in having a 10-point must scoring system if every single round ends up 10-9 anyways. You might as well tally up the rounds.
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.
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That fight did not go to a decision, where did you see a 10-7 scorecard?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

sirgerbil said:
filipino said:
Reako said:
3 - A knockdown means a 10-8 round
Click to expand...
While it is true that this is neither technically nor necessarily true, it is, IMO, a good starting place for scoring a round. 10-8 rounds, and 10-10 draw rounds, should both happen a lot more often than they do.
Click to expand...
that's true, there's really no point in having a 10-point must scoring system if every single round ends up 10-9 anyways. You might as well tally up the rounds.
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.
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OK, winning a 10-8 round doesnt mean that u have to be demolishing ur opponent, it just means u need to be dominating ur opponent with little opposition which happens quite often!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chase316
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

dengbat24 said:
Hmmmmm, I could be wrong but I thought that an eye poke warranted a 5 minute delay??? If needed!
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No, I believe that was the problem in the Franklin/Henderson fight and another I can't think of...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 7time
Date: November 02, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

TheREALOmoPlata said:
sirgerbil said:
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.
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That fight did not go to a decision, where did you see a 10-7 scorecard?
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm guessing it was on a sites play by play for the fight, which would actually be an opinion of whoever was doing it. Not an actual score card from the fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: November 02, 2009 at 02:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

7time said:
TheREALOmoPlata said:
sirgerbil said:
The only time i've seen 10-8s in recent history is Cain vs. Rothwell and Kongo, Sanchez vs. Guida, and Lesnar vs. Herring.
that sets the precedent that 10-8 is synonimous with "how the hell did the ref not stop that?"
And, slightly off topic, I can't remember anyone scoring a round 10-7 besides the Cain/Rothwell fight. Can't recall it happening before.
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That fight did not go to a decision, where did you see a 10-7 scorecard?
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm guessing it was on a sites play by play for the fight, which would actually be an opinion of whoever was doing it. Not an actual score card from the fight.
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The junkie's play by play said "10-8 round, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 10-7" or something like that

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: November 02, 2009 at 03:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

chase316 said:
dengbat24 said:
Hmmmmm, I could be wrong but I thought that an eye poke warranted a 5 minute delay??? If needed!
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No, I believe that was the problem in the Franklin/Henderson fight and another I can't think of...
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I was answering a question not relative to this fight but all fights in general------ okie dokie boss!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chase316
Date: November 02, 2009 at 03:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

dengbat24 said:
chase316 said:
dengbat24 said:
Hmmmmm, I could be wrong but I thought that an eye poke warranted a 5 minute delay??? If needed!
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No, I believe that was the problem in the Franklin/Henderson fight and another I can't think of...
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I was answering a question not relative to this fight but all fights in general------ okie dokie boss!
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I know, I honestly don't believe there is a rule where you get 5 minutes rest time for an eye poke in any sanctioned matches, there should be though. I was using Franklin/Henderson as an example of where a fighter would of benifited from that rule. Franklin was schooling Hendo on the feet and seemed to have Hendo dazed but after the poke, his cordination seemed off, and he seemed to struggle for the remainder of the round. And if he had been able to have the rest for the eye poke (which was apparent) then he might of been able to finish strong in the third and could of pulled a W after a very very close fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dengbat24
Date: November 02, 2009 at 03:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

OK, then what is the time given for an eye poke? I know its substantial!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: November 02, 2009 at 03:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

dengbat24 said:
OK, then what is the time given for an eye poke? I know its substantial!
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Never seen a set time, if it's really bad they will break to let the doctor check you, but I haven't seen a standard time to deal with it

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chase316
Date: November 02, 2009 at 03:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/most-common-misconceptions-from-fans-fighters-etc.19027/

dengbat24 said:
OK, then what is the time given for an eye poke? I know its substantial!
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I don't believe any time is given for an eye poke other than time for a doctor to check if the fighter is still medically cleared to fight. It's deffinitley a rule that needs to be changed, because an eye poke can be devastating, and can very realisticly change the tides quickly if not noticed or given the time to clear. I guess it could be said that if the eye is damaged enough that the fighter can't fight seconds after the eye poke, 5 minutes isn't going to change anything and the fight should be stopped for medical issues. I'm trying to play devil's advocate here, but I'm not a doctor so I'm not sure why the reason the rule is not in place for rest time after an eye poke.