"Mr. Wonderful" analysis thread.

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: junkiebenj
Date: March 22, 2011 at 11:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

Since Phil "Mr. Wonderful" Davis made his octagon debut, he has reeled 4 impressive UFC wins. He has beaten low-tier fighters in the division and a tough guy in Tim Boetsch. Now he is poised to take on MMA veteran and world renowned fighter in Antonio Rogerio "Lil' Nog" Nogeuira. He now has a chance to knock off a big name in the division, and if he does so, he would probably rocket to the upper level of the LHW ranks.
If/when Phil Davis beats Lil' Nog, how long do you guys see him before fighting for a title and what future match-ups will he probably have on a road to a title shot?
I see him getting Machida if/when he beats Couture at UFC 129 or even Rampage vs Hamill winner.
He might get Thiago Silva as well since he looked impressive in the Vera fight.
Too many rematches are too good to pass on with Shogun vs Lil' Nog 2 ( If he doesn't get cut if he loses ) Shogun vs Forrest 2, Forrest vs Rampage 2 or even Rampage vs Shogun 2.
Thoughts?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: March 22, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

I see him crushing Lil Nog and then moving into the upper echelon. From there i think he could fight Bonnar. If Shogun wins his next, I think he could be a good stepping stone for Davis to break into the elite.
Yes, is expect a flame or 10 for my Shogun comment.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

I thought his striking was technically very solid against Boetsch, except that he somewhat was on his way to gassing it appeared. But for a wrestler to be having big leg powerful leg kicks was great to see.
So far he's had a lot of fighters who aren't... aren't seemingly very good on the ground(Stann, Gustafsson, Boetsch). I'd like to see how does with a LHW with good takedown defense and how if he can keep up the cardio actively against someone who pushes him.
Brilz, Bader, Jackson, Evans all are types of fighters that won't go down that easy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: LitesOutPHX
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

If he beats Lil Nog I can see him getting any one of the guys mentioned. We first have to figure out who will get the next title shot after Rashad and then I think it could clear more up. I dont see him getting Rampage cuz he may be too far towards the top. I can def see him getting a guy like Forrest

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

Jak said:
I thought his striking was technically very solid against Boetsch, except that he somewhat was on his way to gassing it appeared. But for a wrestler to be having big leg powerful leg kicks was great to see.
So far he's had a lot of fighters who aren't... aren't seemingly very good on the ground(Stann, Gustafsson, Boetsch). I'd like to see how does with a LHW with good takedown defense and how if he can keep up the cardio actively against someone who pushes him.
Brilz, Bader, Jackson, Evans all are types of fighters that won't go down that easy.
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He looks pretty good technically, still kinda seems to be forcing it. Still, its pretty good for the amount of time he has been working his striking. You are right, those leg kicks look nasty.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mma_guru333
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:19 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

Davis seems like a cool guy and obviously the potential is there, but before we decide he'll "crush" Lil Nog, lets take a look at his last 4 wins
Boetsch, Wallace, Gustafsson, and Stann. Notice a theme? None of them really have good ground games. Gustafsson even gave him some trouble before he made a mistake.
My point being, he's never faced an opponent thats anything like Nog.
Now with all that being said, I'm still taking Davis, but he's untested, none of his opponents have been good tests for him imo, but Nog is certainly a couple steps higher

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

mma_guru333 said:
Davis seems like a cool guy and obviously the potential is there, but before we decide he'll "crush" Lil Nog, lets take a look at his last 4 wins
Boetsch, Wallace, Gustafsson, and Stann. Notice a theme? None of them really have good ground games. Gustafsson even gave him some trouble before he made a mistake.
My point being, he's never faced an opponent thats anything like Nog.
Now with all that being said, I'm still taking Davis, but he's untested, none of his opponents have been good tests for him imo, but Nog is certainly a couple steps higher
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I agree, in part, with your post. I think Nog will show that he is a couple of steps higher if Davis decides to strike with him. I dont think Nog has anything for him on the ground. Yes I know the Nog's have this legendary BJJ, but his legendary BJJ had nothing for Brilz on the ground. A little MMA math for you, Brilz wrestling and Davis's wrestling shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence. I know, i know, i know, Nog was training for a striker, but if their BJJ is so good he probably wouldnt have forgotten how to use it. Just saying. Davis via crush.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BoNeS718
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

Lil nog is gonna fight 3 straight wrestlers. Dana White is gonna cut this guy. Davis by submission.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

BoNeS718 said:
Lil nog is gonna fight 3 straight wrestlers. Dana White is gonna cut this guy. Davis by submission.
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Nog is next to find out aobut the new school.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

Davis is a physical anomaly. I've never seen anyone built quite like him. He's a pure raw athlete with great wrestling, powerful submissions, great leg kicks, and decent hands. He's gonna be a handful for anyone. His biggest weakness will come against someone just like jak mentioned. Someone with as good or decent enough wrestling to stalemate him and put him in a brawl on the feet. We'll see what happens. I see him beating Lil nog with takedowns and leg kicks, and look forward to seeing him fight someone who's well rounded and a step up the ladder.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mma_guru333
Date: March 23, 2011 at 12:57 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

MoJoJo said:
mma_guru333 said:
Davis seems like a cool guy and obviously the potential is there, but before we decide he'll "crush" Lil Nog, lets take a look at his last 4 wins
Boetsch, Wallace, Gustafsson, and Stann. Notice a theme? None of them really have good ground games. Gustafsson even gave him some trouble before he made a mistake.
My point being, he's never faced an opponent thats anything like Nog.
Now with all that being said, I'm still taking Davis, but he's untested, none of his opponents have been good tests for him imo, but Nog is certainly a couple steps higher
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A little MMA math for you, Brilz wrestling and Davis's wrestling shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence. I know, i know, i know, Nog was training for a striker, but if their BJJ is so good he probably wouldnt have forgotten how to use it. Just saying. Davis via crush.
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I'm not exactly sure what the first part means, I never compared Brilz to Davis.
Anyway, Nogs BJJ was definitely in use in that fight, he had guillotine attempts, a bazillion sweeps, and he even put Brilz in a crucifix. His BJJ won him the fight.
Either way, I think Davis wins this fight via decision. I think he'll be somewhat tested, and he'll probably prove again how good his control is. But my point was that he's never faced anyone with a ground game, thats all.
What exactly does Davis via crush mean? How do you see Davis winning?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: March 23, 2011 at 01:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

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I'm not exactly sure what the first part means, I never compared Brilz to Davis.
Anyway, Nogs BJJ was definitely in use in that fight, he had guillotine attempts, a bazillion sweeps, and he even put Brilz in a crucifix. His BJJ won him the fight.
Either way, I think Davis wins this fight via decision. I think he'll be somewhat tested, and he'll probably prove again how good his control is. But my point was that he's never faced anyone with a ground game, thats all.
What exactly does Davis via crush mean? How do you see Davis winning?"
If i made it sound as though you compared Brilz and Davis, i apologize, i didnt mean to make it sound as though you did. I think my mind was working faster than my fingers could type.
I dont think his BJJ won him the fight, i think it kept him from getting beat up. He wont be sweeping or crucifixing Davis. His top game is light years beyond Brilz.
I agree that he has never faced a ground game like Nogs so it will be a challenge for him.
Davis via crush means, embarassment, total destruction. Not quite on the same astro plane that Jones did to Shogun, but approaching it.
Good discussion and I appreciate you being civil and mature. Hope to have many more with you in the future.... Probably after the Davis/ Nog fight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mma_guru333
Date: March 23, 2011 at 02:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/mr-wonderful-analysis-thread.36984/

MoJoJo said:
If i made it sound as though you compared Brilz and Davis, i apologize, i didnt mean to make it sound as though you did. I think my mind was working faster than my fingers could type.
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Not a problem, I was just a bit confused
MoJoJo said:
I dont think his BJJ won him the fight, i think it kept him from getting beat up. He wont be sweeping or crucifixing Davis. His top game is light years beyond Brilz.
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I disagree for the most part, it certainly wasn't his TDD that won him that fight, because his TDD looked awful in that fight, although admittedly, it looked much improved against Bader. But I'd say his BJJ won him the fight by yes, avoiding damage and getting back to his feet or into top control. Either way, I don't think he'll be able to sweep Davis like he did with Brilz, so its a moot point.
MoJoJo said:
Davis via crush means, embarassment, total destruction. Not quite on the same astro plane that Jones did to Shogun, but approaching it.
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I don't think this will happen, but I appreciate you breaking it down for me. I think Davis will win an obvious UD, but I don't think he'll be quite on cruise control.
MoJoJo said:
Good discussion and I appreciate you being civil and mature. Hope to have many more with you in the future.... Probably after the Davis/ Nog fight
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And the same to you friend! Mature debates ftw!