My 1st Gun Purchase

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: December 06, 2015 at 03:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

So, although I'm a little torn by all the talk of gun violence, I'm seriously thinking about buying my first handgun. In my home state all you need is a FBI background check. No need to register your gun and you can take a Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) class to apply for a CCW license. And you can openly carry w/o special permissions.
Why?
Ironically, I'm more concerned about legal gun owners as opposed to criminals. I like the idea of having access to an "equalizer" to some so-called law abiding citizen who thinks he can whip out a gun anytime he feels threatened.
As a hobby. Go take some courses. Hang out a range on the weekends.
Maybe for home defense, although the only time my house has ever been robbed, I was obviously not at home, and it was a contractor I hired to do work. So a gun wouldn't have made a difference.
Because guns are bad ***.
Come to the aid of others in distress.
Why not?
I don't want any inflated sense of self. That "I wish you would try me" bulls--- I see from some gun owners. I think even conscientious gun owners can develop a chip on their shoulder that they don't always recognize.
I don't want to be affiliated with dipshits that get on the internet posing with guns, challenging ISIS to visit their double-wide trailer park or suburban neighborhood.
I don't want to obsess with where I put it so I can reach it, but it can't be found by strangers, visitors, thieves, my kid, etc.
The likelihood I could ever reach it when I needed it, is slim. And if I can go home or to the car to get it, then I don't actually need it to defend myself and I may be possibly committing a crime at that point.
Even with a concealed carry, I couldn't take it into most buildings and because I'm not into imposing any of views or beliefs on others, I probably wouldn't want to.
Legitimately coming to the aid of others could still result in me getting shot by a officer or someone else who doesn't know I can legally own or doesn't acknowledge my right to open carry.
Advise:
What are the pro's/con's of gun ownership (no political, constitutional rights s---.)
What are 5 pistols under $600 worth owning? (I'm currently considering S&W M&P9 Shield, see photo below. I see one for $372 online + $25 FFL fee)
How much should I budget for a year in firing range, ammo, training to become competent user, but not "operator". lol

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: December 06, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

It's like $12 Canadian for a box of ammo. When practicing it tends to be easy to blow through boxes/$$ quickly.
At first when you unload a clip in rapid fire, you'll feel like a bada**. then it might hit you that that 6 seconds of fun cost you $10.
But maybe American bullets are cheaper. than it's fun.
Go to a non standard gun range. Like one out in the middle of nowhere, much more fun than ones where there are people waiting or watching you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: December 06, 2015 at 12:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

When I used to go the range a lot I would always have a .22 handgun to save money. The .45 and 5.7 x 28 ammo for my other handguns was ridiculously pricey to shoot more than now and again.
The range here in Whistler is awesome. Barely anyone ever there and was built by the military for training before and during the Olympics. We have handgun, bow, shotgun, rifle and long rifle ranges for sniper training.
This makes me want to get my brother to sign my guns back to me. I hadn't used them in a few years and he was really getting into it. Now I just have a .22 rifle that I don't even have ammo for right now

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: December 06, 2015 at 05:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

Any recommendations for .22 pistols? Not expense, but not junk. Seems silly to buy a Glock or Walther 22 that is just as expensive as a 9mm or .40 cal.
Going to an out of the way firing range is a good idea. Won't feel rushed or intimidated.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BirdmanZach
Date: December 06, 2015 at 05:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

I've been looking into handguns for the exact same reasons you are. Looking into seeing some good feedback
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: December 06, 2015 at 05:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

CardioKing said:
Any recommendations for .22 pistols? Not expense, but not junk. Seems silly to buy a Glock or Walther 22 that is just as expensive as a 9mm or .40 cal.
Going to an out of the way firing range is a good idea. Won't feel rushed or intimidated.
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I had a Ruger that was like $450 Canadian. I just did a quick search of US gun retailers and you can find S&W .22 pistols for anywhere from $250-500. There were some Sig Saur's going for $350 but the best deal I saw was a Walther for $199 or Austrian made ISSC's for $159. Never heard of them before but that seems like a great deal.
http://www.issc.at/produkt/m22-sd/?lang=en
I am sure you could hit a gun show or a retailer and pick up something for less. The key is what fits your hand and which sight lines you like best.
I am far from an expert on the subject and there are definitely some junkies far more knowledgeable than I who could offer advice.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: December 06, 2015 at 07:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

I have two Ruger .22 LR rimfire pistols and they both shoot like a dream, ridiculously accurate, very reliable, large mags. Plus you can shoot .22 all day for very cheap.
The weapon you posted that you are considering buyng seems quite solid. S&W gets some grief in the NRA community, I forget why but I think it was because they dared to not tow the ridiculous NRA line about every little shitty thing. I have a S&W 38 special revolver, it's a great gun.
The only thing about the one you posted, it's definitely designed to be a CCW gun, so make sure that's what you want. It will generally have more kick and be a bit less accurate than a heavier, fuller gun. So it really depends what you are looking for more, a regular shooting gun for entertainment and home defense (not the gun you posted) vs. a good CCW weapon (the one you posted).

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: December 06, 2015 at 08:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

Brick said:
I have two Ruger .22 LR rimfire pistols and they both shoot like a dream, ridiculously accurate, very reliable, large mags. Plus you can shoot .22 all day for very cheap.
The weapon you posted that you are considering buyng seems quite solid. S&W gets some grief in the NRA community, I forget why but I think it was because they dared to not tow the ridiculous NRA line about every little shitty thing. I have a S&W 38 special revolver, it's a great gun.
The only thing about the one you posted, it's definitely designed to be a CCW gun, so make sure that's what you want. It will generally have more kick and be a bit less accurate than a heavier, fuller gun. So it really depends what you are looking for more, a regular shooting gun for entertainment and home defense (not the gun you posted) vs. a good CCW weapon (the one you posted).
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Thanks. In my mind, the S&W was a good choice in the event I did decide to get my CCW. Which is purely a "better to have it, than not" choice at this point. I like the idea of getting some regular fun in with a less expensive weapon.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: December 06, 2015 at 08:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

CardioKing said:
Thanks. In my mind, the S&W was a good choice in the event I did decide to get my CCW. Which is purely a "better to have it, than not" choice at this point. I like the idea of getting some regular fun in with a less expensive weapon.
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Then I think you are on point. If you are planning for CCW, and only going to have one weapon, go with your CCW gun. That way, also, you are getting range time with the weapon you might actually have to use (although, as you state, the chance is quite slim, but far better have and not need vs. need and not have)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: trubs
Date: December 06, 2015 at 09:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

CardioKing said:
So, although I'm a little torn by all the talk of gun violence, I'm seriously thinking about buying my first handgun.
Why?
Ironically, I'm more concerned about legal gun owners as opposed to criminals.
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Well then your an idiot that does not deserve advise from any of us.
BirdmanZach said:
I've been looking into handguns for the exact same reasons you are.
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And so are you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Brick
Date: December 06, 2015 at 09:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

^^ I also objected to OP's point #1 but chose to be a productive member of the forum and share information for the betterment of all. Please ignore the tinfoil hat boy.
PS: lol at irony:
troubleshooting said:
your an idiot .
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: trubs
Date: December 06, 2015 at 09:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

Brick said:
^^ I also objected to OP's point #1 but chose to be a productive member of the forum and share information for the betterment of all. Please ignore the tinfoil hat boy.
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That doesn't help him though. My comment did.
I know after being involved in the community for a short time his opinion will change fast, but going into it like that is not very smart.
That's like me going into a mosque and saying "I'm just in here to learn verses from the quran so if one of you nuts attempt to kill me I can act like I know it."
It's dumb and he will realize that soon if he follows through with this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sapper
Date: December 06, 2015 at 09:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

For hand guns.. XD 40 and 45. Had a couple over the years and really for the money you cannot beat them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: trubs
Date: December 06, 2015 at 09:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

CardioKing said:
Why?
Ironically, I'm more concerned about legal gun owners as opposed to criminals.
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P.S. lol at irony:
2. Hang out a range on the weekends.
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: NicoSuave
Date: December 06, 2015 at 10:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

CardioKing said:
So, although I'm a little torn by all the talk of gun violence, I'm seriously thinking about buying my first handgun.
In my home state all you need is a FBI background check. No need to register your gun and you can take a Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) class to apply for a CCW license. And you can openly carry w/o special permissions.
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GOD... F*CKING... DAMN IT!!!!! Why... WHY is it so much f---ing easier in certain states to get access to a weapon designed to kill people, than it is to get a f---ing license that legally permits a person to drive a car?????!!!!!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: trubs
Date: December 06, 2015 at 10:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

NicoSuave said:
GOD... F*CKING... DAMN IT!!!!! Why... WHY is it so much f---ing easier in certain states to get access to a weapon designed to kill people, than it is to get a f---ing license that legally permits a person to drive a car?????!!!!!
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You passed an fbi background check to get a license that legally permits you to drive a car?
That's wild.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: redd1
Date: December 06, 2015 at 10:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

troubleshooting said:
You passed an fbi background check to get a license that legally permits you to drive a car?
That's wild.
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I seem to remember that nico had quite a bit of difficulty getting his drivers permit.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: December 07, 2015 at 01:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

troubleshooting said:
That doesn't help him though. My comment did.
I know after being involved in the community for a short time his opinion will change fast, but going into it like that is not very smart.
That's like me going into a mosque and saying "I'm just in here to learn verses from the quran so if one of you nuts attempt to kill me I can act like I know it."
It's dumb and he will realize that soon if he follows through with this.
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I think it would be a lot more productive of you to ask me to explain my comment rather than calling me an idiot. But whatever. Feel free to exit the thread any time.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CardioKing
Date: December 07, 2015 at 01:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

NicoSuave said:
GOD... F*CKING... DAMN IT!!!!! Why... WHY is it so much f---ing easier in certain states to get access to a weapon designed to kill people, than it is to get a f---ing license that legally permits a person to drive a car?????!!!!!
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Although owning a car doesn't require an FBI background check, it is in fact regulated much more. I'm looking at the Firearms Transaction Record form and I think its pretty useless sense I self-declare all the information. To drive a car you have to
Pass an eye exam
Pass a multi-point driving test with an impartial gov't worker
Get a driving license
Maintain your driving license
Keep that car insured, safe and licensed every 1-2 years
Allow the gov't to have a record of your driving patterns and vehicles
I think what separates good and bad gun owners has very little to do with these forms and background checks and more to do with personal values. I don't like the idea of gov't being in my business, but in this case, I am pretty shocked at how very easy it is to get a gun. I had to jump through more hoops to start my business, enroll my kid in private school, and get married.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: redd1
Date: December 07, 2015 at 02:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/my-1st-gun-purchase.67913/

Though to be fair driving is a privilege and gun ownership is a right.