My Heavyweight Rankings
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joecolombo818 said:
No way I'd put Mir ahead of Lesnar and I'm not sold on Overeem being ranked so high due to his lack of quality oppenents in MMA.
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I think the weight and muscle Mir gained after his loss to Lesnar would be a big factor in a rubber match. And for the latter, I wanted to make sure that I didn't overrate Overeem too much, however I just don't see any of this fighters under him beating Overeem.
lol i dont think bruce buffer posts lol if you ARE bruce. . .I am sorry. . . :|
1.either Cain or JDS
2.Fedor
3.Overeem
4.Lesnar
5.Carwin (would be 4th but Lesnar got the better of him)
6.Nelson lately hes been great
7.Werdum
i dont care about Mir. . .. everyone else i cant really decide
BruceBuffer said:
joecolombo818 said:
No way I'd put Mir ahead of Lesnar and I'm not sold on Overeem being ranked so high due to his lack of quality oppenents in MMA.
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I think the weight and muscle Mir gained after his loss to Lesnar would be a big factor in a rubber match. And for the latter, I wanted to make sure that I didn't overrate Overeem too much, however I just don't see any of this fighters under him beating Overeem.
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mir let go of the gained weight theory bud. and clearly it proved not to work too well when he got his *** kicked by carwin.. showed size isnt everything.. even if u excluded that. lesnar smashed him then beat carwin. frank got smashed by him then got knocked into 2011 (where he is actually still waiting for us in the future and ufc 119 was just a hologram which explains why it was such a slow fight
)by carwin, the guy that lost to lesnar. so its hard to have any room to back frank up. not to mention lesnar also beat his *** in the first fight till he got subbed! which tells me atleast 8 out of 10 times lesnar does the horseshoe thing
I'd say Cain, JDS, Fedor, and Overeem are the top 4 bonafide heavyweights who would beat all the rest regardless of what they have accomplished so far.
Overeem is a beast but I still wanna see him fight someone better than Brett Rogers. It's probably gonna be a while until he fights MMA again due to his K-1 obligations.
LOL at Big Country even being on this list. He's top 15 at the absolute very best. There's no way in hell he is one of the best 10 HW fighters in the world right now.
My personal HW rankings are as follows, feel free to pick mine apart as well if you want to....
1. Werdum - He has the best win of any of the other 10 recently. Plus, with Brock's loss he moves into the no. 1 spot.
2. Velasquez - Moves up by beating Brock, and by Fedor staying inactive.
3. Fedor - He moves up because of Lesnar losing.
4. JDS - First test for Cain. He could prove to have been slightly overrated depending on his fight with Cain.
5. Lesnar - Dude needs to severely improve his stand up defense. He reminds me of a kid who is scared of the ball playing little league.
6. Overeem - Talent wise, I think he is top 3, but I can't rank him in the top 5 until he fights Werdum or Fedor.
7. Carwin - Sucky loss to Brock in which he was demolishing him. He could climb back into the top 5 if he wins his next fight.
8. Barnett - PEDs or not, Barnett is IMO, the most talented fighter on this list. Inactivity, coupled with not very good competition keeps him out of the top 3.
9. Mir - As crappy as the Cro Cop fight was, he did finish it in devastating fashion. He is at 9, mostly due to a lack of quality HW fighters.
10. Big Foot Silva - The only other guy in the HW class who has a win over anyone worth mentioning. And some say he won the fight against Werdum, either way, he fought him extremely tough.
I disagree with Werdum. I will not judge a fighter's ranking based on ONE good win. You do remember he lost to JDS, and he would lose to him if they fought again. Also, how do you expect Werdum to beat guys like Cain, Carwin, Mir, Overeem, Nelson? He his inferior striking and wrestling in all cases. Hell I would say in a rematch Fedor would kill him.
BruceBuffer said:
I disagree with Werdum. I will not judge a fighter's ranking based on ONE good win. You do remember he lost to JDS, and he would lose to him if they fought again. Also, how do you expect Werdum to beat guys like Cain, Carwin, Mir, Overeem, Nelson? He his inferior striking and wrestling in all cases. Hell I would say in a rematch Fedor would kill him.
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He's already beaten Overeem. His striking may not be awesome, but it has come a long way, and is at least adequate for staying out of trouble. IMO, he doesn't need takedown defense really, because no one is gonna want to go to the ground with him. They are all gonna try and keep it on the feet. He is #1 right now mostly by default. You can't vault Cain up from like the 5 spot all the way to #1. If he beats JDS, then he will for sure be the best in the world.
GoodCat said:
LOL at Big Country even being on this list. He's top 15 at the absolute very best. There's no way in hell he is one of the best 10 HW fighters in the world right now.
My personal HW rankings are as follows, feel free to pick mine apart as well if you want to....
1. Werdum - He has the best win of any of the other 10 recently. Plus, with Brock's loss he moves into the no. 1 spot.
2. Velasquez - Moves up by beating Brock, and by Fedor staying inactive.
3. Fedor - He moves up because of Lesnar losing.
4. JDS - First test for Cain. He could prove to have been slightly overrated depending on his fight with Cain.
5. Lesnar - Dude needs to severely improve his stand up defense. He reminds me of a kid who is scared of the ball playing little league.
6. Overeem - Talent wise, I think he is top 3, but I can't rank him in the top 5 until he fights Werdum or Fedor.
7. Carwin - Sucky loss to Brock in which he was demolishing him. He could climb back into the top 5 if he wins his next fight.
8. Barnett - PEDs or not, Barnett is IMO, the most talented fighter on this list. Inactivity, coupled with not very good competition keeps him out of the top 3.
9. Mir - As crappy as the Cro Cop fight was, he did finish it in devastating fashion. He is at 9, mostly due to a lack of quality HW fighters.
10. Big Foot Silva - The only other guy in the HW class who has a win over anyone worth mentioning. And some say he won the fight against Werdum, either way, he fought him extremely tough.
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I actually like your list. I think it's pretty accurate. The only thing I would change would be to drop Barnett down to 10, due to inactivity. But Other than that, I think it's dead on.
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BruceBuffer said:
I disagree with Werdum. I will not judge a fighter's ranking based on ONE good win. You do remember he lost to JDS, and he would lose to him if they fought again. Also, how do you expect Werdum to beat guys like Cain, Carwin, Mir, Overeem, Nelson? He his inferior striking and wrestling in all cases. Hell I would say in a rematch Fedor would kill him.
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He's already beaten Overeem. His striking may not be awesome, but it has come a long way, and is at least adequate for staying out of trouble. IMO, he doesn't need takedown defense really, because no one is gonna want to go to the ground with him. They are all gonna try and keep it on the feet. He is #1 right now mostly by default. You can't vault Cain up from like the 5 spot all the way to #1. If he beats JDS, then he will for sure be the best in the world.
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I understand his stand-up isn't horrible, but it is far inferior to the fighters I have mentioned. Therefore, if the fight stays on the feet he's either going to get knocked out or out-pointed. He may be able to grind out a decision against a fighter like Big Foot, or maybe Gonzaga, but against these demolishers in the UFC, he will have trouble. If Fedor showed more composure against Werdum he would have eventually finished for sure.
BruceBuffer said:
GoodCat said:
BruceBuffer said:
I disagree with Werdum. I will not judge a fighter's ranking based on ONE good win. You do remember he lost to JDS, and he would lose to him if they fought again. Also, how do you expect Werdum to beat guys like Cain, Carwin, Mir, Overeem, Nelson? He his inferior striking and wrestling in all cases. Hell I would say in a rematch Fedor would kill him.
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He's already beaten Overeem. His striking may not be awesome, but it has come a long way, and is at least adequate for staying out of trouble. IMO, he doesn't need takedown defense really, because no one is gonna want to go to the ground with him. They are all gonna try and keep it on the feet. He is #1 right now mostly by default. You can't vault Cain up from like the 5 spot all the way to #1. If he beats JDS, then he will for sure be the best in the world.
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I understand his stand-up isn't horrible, but it is far inferior to the fighters I have mentioned. Therefore, if the fight stays on the feet he's either going to get knocked out or out-pointed. He may be able to grind out a decision against a fighter like Big Foot, or maybe Gonzaga, but against these demolishers in the UFC, he will have trouble. If Fedor showed more composure against Werdum he would have eventually finished for sure.
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I hear what you're saying but it sounds like you are more so ranking fighters on what they are capable of as opposed to what they have done. So what is the judging criteria?
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MortyBingle said:
1. Alistair Overeem (SF)
2. Cain Velazquez (UFC)
3. Fedor Emilianenko (SF)
4. Brock Lesnar (UFC)
5. Junior Dos Santos (UFC)
6. Fabricio Werdum (SF)
7. Shane Carwin (UFC)
8. Frank Mir (UFC)
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (UFC)
10. Antonio Silva (SF)
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wow how does beating Rogers, Fujita and Thompson make you number 1?? How is Brock ahead of Junior? and how does Mir rank anywhere near the top10?
BruceBuffer said:
GoodCat said:
BruceBuffer said:
I disagree with Werdum. I will not judge a fighter's ranking based on ONE good win. You do remember he lost to JDS, and he would lose to him if they fought again. Also, how do you expect Werdum to beat guys like Cain, Carwin, Mir, Overeem, Nelson? He his inferior striking and wrestling in all cases. Hell I would say in a rematch Fedor would kill him.
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He's already beaten Overeem. His striking may not be awesome, but it has come a long way, and is at least adequate for staying out of trouble. IMO, he doesn't need takedown defense really, because no one is gonna want to go to the ground with him. They are all gonna try and keep it on the feet. He is #1 right now mostly by default. You can't vault Cain up from like the 5 spot all the way to #1. If he beats JDS, then he will for sure be the best in the world.
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I understand his stand-up isn't horrible, but it is far inferior to the fighters I have mentioned. Therefore, if the fight stays on the feet he's either going to get knocked out or out-pointed. He may be able to grind out a decision against a fighter like Big Foot, or maybe Gonzaga, but against these demolishers in the UFC, he will have trouble. If Fedor showed more composure against Werdum he would have eventually finished for sure.
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I hear ya, that's what makes rankings and who's the best at this or that lists so interesting. Different people can think completely different things, and neither person is wrong or right.
EdoKaz818 said:
Werdum has Judo and pretty good striking. He holds notable wins over the following
Fedor, Alistair, Antonio Silva, Mike Kyle, Vera, Gonzaga x2, and Aleksander
Werdums loss to JDS is as relvent as JDSs loss to a complete can by submission
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Yes, Werdum is a great fighter! and should beat most of these mid-tier fighters. Yes, he has good Judo, and we already agreed that he has good striking. Also, I think he can put up a good fought against the fighters I have ranked above him, but how do you expect Werdum to BEAT (not compete with) a Carwin or a Cain or a JDS?
BruceBuffer said:
EdoKaz818 said:
Werdum has Judo and pretty good striking. He holds notable wins over the following
Fedor, Alistair, Antonio Silva, Mike Kyle, Vera, Gonzaga x2, and Aleksander
Werdums loss to JDS is as relvent as JDSs loss to a complete can by submission
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Yes, Werdum is a great fighter! and should beat most of these mid-tier fighters. Yes, he has good Judo, and we already agreed that he has good striking. Also, I think he can put up a good fought against the fighters I have ranked above him, but how do you expect Werdum to BEAT (not compete with) a Carwin or a Cain or a JDS?
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with Judo and pulling guard. Also Carwin isnt anything special because his striking is decent also all he hs is power. Avoid him for a round and he can easily win. Cain is overly aggresive which will only benefit Werdum. As for JDS i think JDS would beat him again