New Nominee for Worst UFC Stoppage ever

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JHustle
Date: September 20, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

I know it was a dark match that many haven't nor will ever see, but the Jensen/Steinbeiss stoppage was the worst I have ever seen. Jensen had a moderately tight guillotine going and the ref, Gary Ritter (who?), pulls Steinbeiss's arm. Steinbeiss reacts, moves his arm with the thumb up directly in front of the ref. The ref then immediately jumps in and calls the fight. Among the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen in any sport. I know the UFC has little input into the referees used, but these awful calls from local athletic commission refs have got to stop. Anybody else seen this fight?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: September 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

wow, your right, that is the worst stoppage I have ever seen, he gives the refs a thumbs up, and the ref stops the fight,, wtf?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GoodCat
Date: September 21, 2009 at 01:31 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

JHustle said:
I know it was a dark match that many haven't nor will ever see, but the Jensen/Steinbeiss stoppage was the worst I have ever seen. Jensen had a moderately tight guillotine going and the ref, Gary Ritter (who?), pulls Steinbeiss's arm. Steinbeiss reacts, moves his arm with the thumb up directly in front of the ref. The ref then immediately jumps in and calls the fight. Among the most ridiculous calls I've ever seen in any sport. I know the UFC has little input into the referees used, but these awful calls from local athletic commission refs have got to stop. Anybody else seen this fight?
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Were you there live? Or did you just see it from a site?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gutter
Date: September 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

found it. thats pretty bad.
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i could see how the ref might have thought he was passed out, you can tell the ref begins to move in before he really gets that thumb up.....he gets the thumb up, but his arm does fall back down again. i think he could've asked if he was tapping/ready to quit tho.....if he was passed out it wasn't for a long time....he could've waited for a response again and even if he was passed out, he wouldn't of been in danger of brain damage or anything.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rocklobster
Date: September 21, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

They need to fire a ref or two so the other ones open their eyes? What a joke.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gutter
Date: September 21, 2009 at 01:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

rocklobster said:
They need to fire a ref or two so the other ones open their eyes? What a joke.
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UFC has zero control over the refs, they work for the state athletic comission. they can't pick who refs which fights or even which refs they get for the fights. i have no idea how these guys are hired or what training they go through, but it seems that there should/could be less frequent controversial endings to fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dwenger1
Date: September 21, 2009 at 02:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Gutter said:
rocklobster said:
They need to fire a ref or two so the other ones open their eyes? What a joke.
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UFC has zero control over the refs, they work for the state athletic comission. they can't pick who refs which fights or even which refs they get for the fights. i have no idea how these guys are hired or what training they go through, but it seems that there should/could be less frequent controversial endings to fights.
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I agree with you, but at this point its a judgement call. If the ref thinks the fighter is in danger or being severly injured, the fight is stopped. Its the ref's call to make, and where some calls seem controversial, like a flash knockout where the fighter jumps right back up to his feet and complains, watching replays should prove that it wasnt. If the fighter goes limp, even for that couple of seconds, the fight is over. That's why MMA fighters that are older done seem to be so punchy.
Some still are, and i havent watched the video due to being at work, but i'm sure that there was a reason the ref stopped the fight. If its as bad as you guys make it sound, i'm sure the commission can do something about it, and the ref will have to explain himself.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gutter
Date: September 21, 2009 at 02:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

dwenger1 said:
Gutter said:
rocklobster said:
They need to fire a ref or two so the other ones open their eyes? What a joke.
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Some still are, and i havent watched the video due to being at work, but i'm sure that there was a reason the ref stopped the fight. If its as bad as you guys make it sound, i'm sure the commission can do something about it, and the ref will have to explain himself.
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i've seen worse. dudes arm looks like it goes limp and he's not trying to get out of the submission. he was laying completely flat, and to be honest, looks like he's passed out. if he had a hand on his opponents arm trying to push it down to get his head out, or even if he was on his knees when the hold was on, it would be a better argument, but this dude is laying flat and doing nothing with his free hand.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Doogie
Date: October 31, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Rothwell vs. Velasquez gets added to this list now...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: October 31, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

this sounds similar to vera/werdum

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: chase316
Date: November 01, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Doogie said:
Rothwell vs. Velasquez gets added to this list now...
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Not Really, Cain was throwing some serious leather at Rothwell and even if Rothwell has a serious chin (or Cain just throws pillow punches :?: ), Cain did land 5 unanswered flush shots, and I'm actually very okay with this stoppage. Ref's gotta draw a line to protect the fighters somewhere. Ref did warn Rothwell in the first that he had to show some sorta defence or even offence to not get stopped.
Oh and the knee on the throat was pretty epic, not super effective but cool nonetheless.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Twister_Hold101
Date: November 01, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Sakuraba/Silveira Ultimate Japan

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: metalmike00
Date: November 01, 2009 at 01:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Doogie said:
Rothwell vs. Velasquez gets added to this list now...
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the ref did rothwell a favor.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lencazo415
Date: November 01, 2009 at 02:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

That takes the cake i mean seriously a fighter gives a thumbs up means.... a thumbs up hes fine...
The Cain vs Ben stop was bad but either way Rothwell was on his way to losing(still a bad stop though).

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: the0n3
Date: November 01, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Worst IMO was Kimbo vs James Thompson... how can you stop a fight when both fighters are standing and throwing punches. Yeah he was a little rocked but come on, that was ridiculous.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ManUpWear
Date: November 01, 2009 at 05:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

chase316 said:
Doogie said:
Rothwell vs. Velasquez gets added to this list now...
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Not Really, Cain was throwing some serious leather at Rothwell and even if Rothwell has a serious chin (or Cain just throws pillow punches :?: ), Cain did land 5 unanswered flush shots, and I'm actually very okay with this stoppage. Ref's gotta draw a line to protect the fighters somewhere. Ref did warn Rothwell in the first that he had to show some sorta defence or even offence to not get stopped.
Oh and the knee on the throat was pretty epic, not super effective but cool nonetheless.
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They could have stopped that fight at any point really, it was just too one-sided.
If you go back and watch, when Rothwell is standing up getting hit, there's a couple of shots where it looks like his eyes roll back, the ref started stepping in instantly after that and that's when Ben tries to finish standing up. I wasn't upset with the stoppage. Controversial would have been if they stop it when Ben gets in just a couple of hits and give him the win when he was losing the whole time.
And yes, like Doogie said, ref had already warned him, he had a second chance to turn that fight around and didn't, what else can the ref do?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ManUpWear
Date: November 01, 2009 at 05:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Thir13en said:
Worst IMO was Kimbo vs James Thompson... how can you stop a fight when both fighters are standing and throwing punches. Yeah he was a little rocked but come on, that was ridiculous.
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"how can you stop a fight when both fighters are standing and throwing punches?"
there's been a lot of standing knockouts. Look at Anthony Johnson vs Tommy Speer, I'm glad they stopped that standing up, it was brutal.
I think Brett Rogers vs Arlovski was stopped standing up too.
Just because you're body is standing vertically does not mean you are not hurt or in serious danger of brain damage. I've seen several standing knockouts that were perfectly acceptable stoppages.
oh, and the Thompson vs Kimbo, yes, that was a bad stoppage, clearly they wanted Kimbo to win so they were waiting for any half decent moment to stop it when Kimbo was winning so he wouldn't get taken down and dominated any more

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: November 01, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Thir13en said:
Worst IMO was Kimbo vs James Thompson... how can you stop a fight when both fighters are standing and throwing punches. Yeah he was a little rocked but come on, that was ridiculous.
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I think it was more odd that they did not call the fight in the 2nd round when Kimbo was getting elbowed for about a minute showing no defense what-so-ever.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: toerag
Date: November 01, 2009 at 06:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Lencazo415 said:
That takes the cake i mean seriously a fighter gives a thumbs up means.... a thumbs up hes fine...
The Cain vs Ben stop was bad but either way Rothwell was on his way to losing(still a bad stop though).
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I agree. Ben never looked like he was going to win, but there were a couple of times when it could have been stopped and it would be fine - just not that particular moment.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafan0702
Date: November 01, 2009 at 07:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/new-nominee-for-worst-ufc-stoppage-ever.17815/

Jardine vs T. Silva TOTAL BS stoppage imo