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RearNakedSlam said:
Meh, he showed that his BJJ wasn't that great last night. Good sub, but the good BJJ guys would have gotten it in round 1 instead of 5. It is pretty embarrassing that he lost by sub though after what he said.
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Silva only went for two sumbission attempts....
ResoluteProtector said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Meh, he showed that his BJJ wasn't that great last night. Good sub, but the good BJJ guys would have gotten it in round 1 instead of 5. It is pretty embarrassing that he lost by sub though after what he said.
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Silva only went for two sumbission attempts....
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he had openings for a lot more but never took them
ResoluteProtector said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Meh, he showed that his BJJ wasn't that great last night. Good sub, but the good BJJ guys would have gotten it in round 1 instead of 5. It is pretty embarrassing that he lost by sub though after what he said.
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Silva only went for two sumbission attempts....
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Triangle, Kimura, Heel Hook, Triangle. That's at least 4, and he threw his legs up for a triangle 1 or 2 more times and got shrugged off pretty easy. Just because he wasn't able to lock in a submission doesn't mean he didn't attempt it.
ResoluteProtector said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Meh, he showed that his BJJ wasn't that great last night. Good sub, but the good BJJ guys would have gotten it in round 1 instead of 5. It is pretty embarrassing that he lost by sub though after what he said.
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Silva only went for two sumbission attempts....
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Silva was setting that sub up for alot of that match. Chael needs to work with a few top level BJJ guys and work on triangle D.
ResoluteProtector said:
RearNakedSlam said:
Meh, he showed that his BJJ wasn't that great last night. Good sub, but the good BJJ guys would have gotten it in round 1 instead of 5. It is pretty embarrassing that he lost by sub though after what he said.
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Silva only went for two sumbission attempts....
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Are you kidding? He tried at least 5. I'm sure there was probably more he was trying to get him with but never pulled the trigger. I thought of three off the top of my head when I read that. His BJJ isn't that great, that is a fact. He got beat up, mostly from the guard, for 4 and a half rounds by a guy who is known for having sub par submission defense. If GSP was on top of him that submission would have never happened. I am now even more convinced that if GSP moved up to fight Silva it would look like every other GSP fight. No way he could catch GSP in a sub in the way he caught Chael.
How is Silva not finishing off Sonnen sooner with a sub mean that his BJJ isn't "that great"? From my experiences, defending is easier then attacking when rolling. Sonnen has a strong top game, he just has a problem of getting finished
once his opponents lock the submission in
I think Sonnen showed he has a great top game last night, by only allowing a very small number of submission attempts. At the same time, he also once again showed us the hole in his, that when he does get into trouble, he gets tapped. At the same time, I think Anderson showed us some solid BJJ skills by finishing as soon as he got his chance to.
Personally I see these things as positives for both guys, rather than negatives. But maybe that's just me.
Silva tried to state somehitng yestarday, walking out wearing the gi and then put it in back on after the fight, I think he wanted to show sonnen how good his jitz is, well, sadly, he only showed that it is all not that good... I think his hurt ribs mighted played a roll too, but he didnt show any impressive sweeps, and spend most of the fight on a close guard, very rarely going for anything... AS jitz is nothing special...
bjj_rage said:
Silva tried to state somehitng yestarday, walking out wearing the gi and then put it in back on after the fight, I think he wanted to show sonnen how good his jitz is, well, sadly, he only showed that it is all not that good... I think his hurt ribs mighted played a roll too, but he didnt show any impressive sweeps, and spend most of the fight on a close guard, very rarely going for anything... AS jitz is nothing special...
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Or maybe Sonnen's top game is a little better then you give him credit for?
Mav said:
bjj_rage said:
Silva tried to state somehitng yestarday, walking out wearing the gi and then put it in back on after the fight, I think he wanted to show sonnen how good his jitz is, well, sadly, he only showed that it is all not that good... I think his hurt ribs mighted played a roll too, but he didnt show any impressive sweeps, and spend most of the fight on a close guard, very rarely going for anything... AS jitz is nothing special...
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Or maybe Sonnen's top game is a little better then you give him credit for?
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Chael's top game is average at best. He doesn't damage anybody and gets subbed way way too much to be considered to have a good top game. I mean, seriously, Anderson did more damage throwing strikes from the bottom than Chael did in four and half rounds of active, but terribly weak, ground and pound where he had dominant position.
BaconBits said:
Mav said:
bjj_rage said:
Silva tried to state somehitng yestarday, walking out wearing the gi and then put it in back on after the fight, I think he wanted to show sonnen how good his jitz is, well, sadly, he only showed that it is all not that good... I think his hurt ribs mighted played a roll too, but he didnt show any impressive sweeps, and spend most of the fight on a close guard, very rarely going for anything... AS jitz is nothing special...
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Or maybe Sonnen's top game is a little better then you give him credit for?
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Chael's top game is average at best. He doesn't damage anybody and gets subbed way way too much to be considered to have a good top game. I mean, seriously, Anderson did more damage throwing strikes from the bottom than Chael did in four and half rounds of active, but terribly weak, ground and pound where he had dominant position.
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How does getting subbed = not having a good top game? They work off of one another, but don't necessarily go hand in hand. Chael has been doing a pretty good job at neutralizing submission attempts in his last few fights. What he doesn't do a good job with is his decisions/abilities once his opponent actually gets something on him. There's a difference there. His top game is controlling and active, and he sets a good pace. Anderson has never really shown any signs of wear in his fights either. He's like BJ Penn, it takes a LOT for them to actually show damage. Chael has never been known for a ton of power anyways, so yeah.
I love the, oh his BJJ isnt that great or he would have finished him earlier. hmmmm lets think. Not only does Sonnen know he is a black belt in BJJ but the entire fight he was trying to submit him, yet he STILL got it? Ya terrible BJJ. I would think with all the attempts Sonnen would know its coming ESPECIALLY since he knew in round 5 that he had to finish the fight. So with Sonnen fully expecting another sub attempt, he still got it. His BJJ is very solid. Oh and its the 3rd title defense that he has submitted the guy to win