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Brick said:
This might be another nail in the coffin for the death penalty (the number of states that have abolished the death penalty has doubled in the last 20 years already).

They gave this broad both barrels of the lethal dose when one should have worked, and she lived.

Tennessee death row inmate survives 2 lethal injection doses in failed execution attempt​

Christa Pike, the lone woman on Tennessee’s death row, remained alive after two doses of a lethal injection drug during a failed execution attempt Wednesday night​




Tennessee officials were unable to execute death row inmate Christa Pike on Wednesday night after she remained alive following two doses of a lethal injection drug, according to court filings from her attorneys.

The failed execution prompted Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee to halt the state’s remaining scheduled execution this year and order "a comprehensive, third-party review to determine exactly what occurred." Pike was taken to a hospital by ambulance for treatment, her attorneys said.

"Carrying out a lawfully imposed sentence is among the State's most serious responsibilities, and the people of Tennessee expect it to be done in a manner that is not only legal and constitutional, but is effective," Lee said in a statement.

The Tennessee Department of Correction said it "followed every step of the State's lawful, established execution protocol approved by the Attorney General's Office."

Witnesses said Pike was strapped to a gurney when the curtains to the execution chamber were raised at 7:27 p.m. local time. In what were expected to be her final words, Pike said she was "at peace."

But the execution did not proceed as expected. Pike remained awake and at one point raised her head, asking prison officials whether her arm was supposed to feel that way.

At 8:26 p.m. local time, witnesses said the executioners had "injected both syringes of lethal injection chemicals and Pike is still alive and snoring," her lawyers said in a federal court filing, according to The Associated Press.

Pike’s attorneys said in emergency court filings that she "has not lost consciousness and still has a heartbeat," arguing that the attempted execution was causing "unnecessary agony."

At 8:53 p.m., media witnesses were escorted from the area after Pike could still be heard snoring behind the closed curtain.

The state’s protocol calls for a secondary set of drug syringes to be administered "if the inmate is not deceased" after the first set. The protocol does not specify what should happen if the inmate remains alive after the second set.

This comes after the U.S. Supreme Court late Wednesday vacated a last-minute stay that had temporarily spared her from becoming the first woman executed in the state since the early 1800s.

The Supreme Court granted Tennessee's application to vacate the stay issued Wednesday morning by the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, clearing the way for the state to carry out Pike's execution.

In a 2-1 split decision, the Sixth Circuit issued a stay "until further notice" as the court weighed motions filed by Pike's attorneys and the Tennessee Attorney General's Office.

The state immediately appealed to the Supreme Court, seeking to have the stay lifted.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented from the Supreme Court's decision, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

Sotomayor argued that the Sixth Circuit should have been given time to consider Pike's pending legal challenge before the execution proceeded.
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I don't understand why the firing squad isn't the default option. It's 100% effective, instantaneous, and doesn't require some underpaid chemist getting the poison right.
 
JawboneOfAnAss said:
I don't understand why the firing squad isn't the default option. It's 100% effective, instantaneous, and doesn't require some underpaid chemist getting the poison right.
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I agree that firing squad is a much more efficient death statute, but somehow voters find it more gruesome than having cocktails of poison, administered at the exact amount necessary to cause death in the average human and no more, injected by a person appointed by that particular prison, adapted to it's individual protocols.

I've watched the vet put down multiple cattle, horses, massive Great Pyrenees, Llamas, and other large animals. Not once did our stock (or pets) not immediately drop dead. Please AI experts, I get that horses aren't humans, but I would suspect the problem with killing humans is an imprecise mixture of chemicals, purchased from the lowest bidder, administered improperly by a non-specialist, in too low and amount to kill anyone except the average human.

Allowing for the likelihood that not all convicts will die immediately is part of the possibility deemed acceptable. Humans don't care if another human, who caused human suffering, suffers.

Pets are more precious to this generation than humans, and as long as your Good Boy doesn't suffer, let 'em fry in agony.

A nationwide, endorsed dearth of empathy turns ugly, quickly, unexpectedly. You think it stops with Arabs and ICE? You must be rich and white.
 
JawboneOfAnAss said:
I don't understand why the firing squad isn't the default option. It's 100% effective, instantaneous, and doesn't require some underpaid chemist getting the poison right.
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Firing squad, hanging, beheading....all are extremely effective and quite final. We've just made shit weirdly complicated in this timeline. The thing that humans have proved most adept at throughout our history is finding more efficient ways of killing each other. Complicating this is ridiculous. Capital punishment should have some drama associated with it or it isn't really serving one of its primary purposes: deterrence. We should just go back to hanging. When done correctly with formulas for weight and shit, it is one of the most efficient ways we have ever invented to kill another person.
 
Brick said:
This might be another nail in the coffin for the death penalty (the number of states that have abolished the death penalty has doubled in the last 20 years already).

They gave this broad both barrels of the lethal dose when one should have worked, and she lived.

Tennessee death row inmate survives 2 lethal injection doses in failed execution attempt​

Christa Pike, the lone woman on Tennessee’s death row, remained alive after two doses of a lethal injection drug during a failed execution attempt Wednesday night​




Tennessee officials were unable to execute death row inmate Christa Pike on Wednesday night after she remained alive following two doses of a lethal injection drug, according to court filings from her attorneys.

The failed execution prompted Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee to halt the state’s remaining scheduled execution this year and order "a comprehensive, third-party review to determine exactly what occurred." Pike was taken to a hospital by ambulance for treatment, her attorneys said.

"Carrying out a lawfully imposed sentence is among the State's most serious responsibilities, and the people of Tennessee expect it to be done in a manner that is not only legal and constitutional, but is effective," Lee said in a statement.

The Tennessee Department of Correction said it "followed every step of the State's lawful, established execution protocol approved by the Attorney General's Office."

Witnesses said Pike was strapped to a gurney when the curtains to the execution chamber were raised at 7:27 p.m. local time. In what were expected to be her final words, Pike said she was "at peace."

But the execution did not proceed as expected. Pike remained awake and at one point raised her head, asking prison officials whether her arm was supposed to feel that way.

At 8:26 p.m. local time, witnesses said the executioners had "injected both syringes of lethal injection chemicals and Pike is still alive and snoring," her lawyers said in a federal court filing, according to The Associated Press.

Pike’s attorneys said in emergency court filings that she "has not lost consciousness and still has a heartbeat," arguing that the attempted execution was causing "unnecessary agony."

At 8:53 p.m., media witnesses were escorted from the area after Pike could still be heard snoring behind the closed curtain.

The state’s protocol calls for a secondary set of drug syringes to be administered "if the inmate is not deceased" after the first set. The protocol does not specify what should happen if the inmate remains alive after the second set.

This comes after the U.S. Supreme Court late Wednesday vacated a last-minute stay that had temporarily spared her from becoming the first woman executed in the state since the early 1800s.

The Supreme Court granted Tennessee's application to vacate the stay issued Wednesday morning by the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, clearing the way for the state to carry out Pike's execution.

In a 2-1 split decision, the Sixth Circuit issued a stay "until further notice" as the court weighed motions filed by Pike's attorneys and the Tennessee Attorney General's Office.

The state immediately appealed to the Supreme Court, seeking to have the stay lifted.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented from the Supreme Court's decision, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

Sotomayor argued that the Sixth Circuit should have been given time to consider Pike's pending legal challenge before the execution proceeded.
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Reviving a person just to make them wait on another execution is fucking horrid. I support the death penalty for certain situations, but finish the damned job.

I've never understood why we don't use an overdose of valium or morphine if we need to do the injection thing.
 
Eranys said:
Firing squad, hanging, beheading....all are extremely effective and quite final. We've just made shit weirdly complicated in this timeline. The thing that humans have proved most adept at throughout our history is finding more efficient ways of killing each other. Complicating this is ridiculous. Capital punishment should have some drama associated with it or it isn't really serving one of its primary purposes: deterrence. We should just go back to hanging. When done correctly with formulas for weight and shit, it is one of the most efficient ways we have ever invented to kill another person.
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Hanging still has a lot of room for something to go wrong. Either decapitaction (many religious issues with that) or the neck isn't broken immediately. Bullet to the heart is the right amount of grusome and reduced suffering.
 
Brick said:
This might be another nail in the coffin for the death penalty (the number of states that have abolished the death penalty has doubled in the last 20 years already).

They gave this broad both barrels of the lethal dose when one should have worked, and she lived.

Tennessee death row inmate survives 2 lethal injection doses in failed execution attempt​

Christa Pike, the lone woman on Tennessee’s death row, remained alive after two doses of a lethal injection drug during a failed execution attempt Wednesday night​




Tennessee officials were unable to execute death row inmate Christa Pike on Wednesday night after she remained alive following two doses of a lethal injection drug, according to court filings from her attorneys.

The failed execution prompted Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee to halt the state’s remaining scheduled execution this year and order "a comprehensive, third-party review to determine exactly what occurred." Pike was taken to a hospital by ambulance for treatment, her attorneys said.

"Carrying out a lawfully imposed sentence is among the State's most serious responsibilities, and the people of Tennessee expect it to be done in a manner that is not only legal and constitutional, but is effective," Lee said in a statement.

The Tennessee Department of Correction said it "followed every step of the State's lawful, established execution protocol approved by the Attorney General's Office."

Witnesses said Pike was strapped to a gurney when the curtains to the execution chamber were raised at 7:27 p.m. local time. In what were expected to be her final words, Pike said she was "at peace."

But the execution did not proceed as expected. Pike remained awake and at one point raised her head, asking prison officials whether her arm was supposed to feel that way.

At 8:26 p.m. local time, witnesses said the executioners had "injected both syringes of lethal injection chemicals and Pike is still alive and snoring," her lawyers said in a federal court filing, according to The Associated Press.

Pike’s attorneys said in emergency court filings that she "has not lost consciousness and still has a heartbeat," arguing that the attempted execution was causing "unnecessary agony."

At 8:53 p.m., media witnesses were escorted from the area after Pike could still be heard snoring behind the closed curtain.

The state’s protocol calls for a secondary set of drug syringes to be administered "if the inmate is not deceased" after the first set. The protocol does not specify what should happen if the inmate remains alive after the second set.

This comes after the U.S. Supreme Court late Wednesday vacated a last-minute stay that had temporarily spared her from becoming the first woman executed in the state since the early 1800s.

The Supreme Court granted Tennessee's application to vacate the stay issued Wednesday morning by the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, clearing the way for the state to carry out Pike's execution.

In a 2-1 split decision, the Sixth Circuit issued a stay "until further notice" as the court weighed motions filed by Pike's attorneys and the Tennessee Attorney General's Office.

The state immediately appealed to the Supreme Court, seeking to have the stay lifted.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented from the Supreme Court's decision, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

Sotomayor argued that the Sixth Circuit should have been given time to consider Pike's pending legal challenge before the execution proceeded.
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consult the streets FFS. A drop of battery acid in the syringe is a guarantee.
 
JawboneOfAnAss said:
Hanging still has a lot of room for something to go wrong. Either decapitaction (many religious issues with that) or the neck isn't broken immediately.
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With formulas for weight and drop distance, this is exceedingly rare. And overwhelmingly more rare than complications with lethal injections.


JawboneOfAnAss said:
Bullet to the heart is the right amount of grusome and reduced suffering
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While I agree that this is one of the best ways, I also understand that it remains unpalatable to many. But, yeah, four .30-30 soft points to the heart definitely does the job 100% of the time.
 
Eranys said:
Firing squad, hanging, beheading....all are extremely effective and quite final. We've just made shit weirdly complicated in this timeline. The thing that humans have proved most adept at throughout our history is finding more efficient ways of killing each other. Complicating this is ridiculous. Capital punishment should have some drama associated with it or it isn't really serving one of its primary purposes: deterrence. We should just go back to hanging. When done correctly with formulas for weight and shit, it is one of the most efficient ways we have ever invented to kill another person.
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The guillotine was fun and decisive
 
Eranys said:
True, but you aren't going to make that palatable for enough people. And speaking of efficiency, that sure is messy. Hanging is the way the go to ease the most people. It's cheap, clean, and effective.
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our guided munition game is top-notch. Why not launch them out of a plane at 13k' and use that technology to guide them directly into a pre-dug grave? Then you just backfill the hole and you're done.
 
Eranys said:
Uh.....cost?
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my plan includes economy of scale. I'd be launching hundreds of them at a time. At least until jet fuel costs are more manageable. And I'd use prison labor to dig and backfill the graves. I mean - deterrence was important to you so that gets addressed too.
 
ABB said:
my plan includes economy of scale. I'd be launching hundreds of them at a time. At least until jet fuel costs are more manageable. And I'd use prison labor to dig and backfill the graves. I mean - deterrence was important to you so that gets addressed too.
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$8.95. Resusable.
 
Eranys said:
Reviving a person just to make them wait on another execution is fucking horrid. I support the death penalty for certain situations, but finish the damned job.

I've never understood why we don't use an overdose of valium or morphine if we need to do the injection thing.
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I can't imagine they'll try again with her. This is fodder for every type of "cruel and unusual" challenge possible, and my guess is that not only will this result in her sentence being commuted from death to life in jail, but will probably fuel even more states continuing the trend dropping the death penalty entirely.
 
Brick said:
I can't imagine they'll try again with her. This is fodder for every type of "cruel and unusual" challenge possible, and my guess is that not only will this result in her sentence being commuted from death to life in jail, but will probably fuel even more states continuing the trend dropping the death penalty entirely.
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You're probably right in her case. But going in for a round 2 or 3 has happened numerous times in the past. That's veering into torture, in my opinion.
 
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