Now it's all over, let's move on...

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Now that affliction is DEAD, there is no barnett to fight anymore, Overeem seems like Fedor's biggest thread, Rogers still too green and Werdum just doesnt have the hype around anymore, since he lost to Dos Santos... Everyone knows I was always against monopoly, all for competition, because I always thought that way we would have more and better fights.... Now affliction has canceled his 3rd show, and who knows when is going to put a new one, and who knows who is going to fight in that show... so, Atencio, get rid of the contracts, and is UFC time for FEDOR. There is nothing else for him outthere, unless he fights Josh at DREAM.
BROCK vs FEDOR UFC 103!!! (that card reaaally needs a good main event)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: rocklobster
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Now they will keep Fedor tied up as long as they can.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Who said Affliction is dead? The show got canceled. Did I miss something?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: briN
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

all this does is delays fedors entrance into another fighting organization... which we were all hoping would be the UFC but via articles have found that negotiations still havnt been going well...
hopefully they can re-sched this card for just a couple months later so barnett can pass the drug tests

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

bjj_rage said:
Now that affliction is DEAD, there is no barnett to fight anymore, Overeem seems like Fedor's biggest thread, Rogers still too green and Werdum just doesnt have the hype around anymore, since he lost to Dos Santos... Everyone knows I was always against monopoly, all for competition, because I always thought that way we would have more and better fights.... Now affliction has canceled his 3rd show, and who knows when is going to put a new one, and who knows who is going to fight in that show... so, Atencio, get rid of the contracts, and is UFC time for FEDOR. There is nothing else for him outthere, unless he fights Josh at DREAM.
BROCK vs FEDOR UFC 103!!! (that card reaaally needs a good main event)
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I agree. There are just too many mediocre orgs out there now, and with Affliction looking like it's belly up, I don't see any other way things will work out now. The other orgs should be start up orgs, with best of the best going to UFC. The washouts can go to Dream. This is pretty much the only way to get the world's best in each division to fight eachother. Not arguing about which champ from which org is better. (ie Fedor/Brock, GSP,Shields, etc...)
I think it's obvious now that nobody else out there is even REMOTELY close to the UFC now. (if Affliction is gone) They have definately become the NBA of Basketball, the NFL of Football, etc... So get the world's best together, and let the rest land where they fall.
That's my humble opinion. For anyone else to challenge the UFC at this point would be pretty much the equivalent of challenging NASCAR with a new circuit...lol.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

How about if Affliction gets a deal with the UFC, the last Fedor fight under the Affliction logo, will be moved to a UFC event, affliction pays Fedor his salary, they Co-Promote the event, sahring the PPV ernings, after that, Fedor stays with the UFC for 3 fights more deal. The Sambo crap isnt a problem anymore, so the exclusivity and the not leaving as a champ will be the problem... now that there is no more affliction, who else is going to possible pay him as much as the UFC? or even close? no one, so thinking this straight, why in the hell would he want to leave the UFC?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Rocksteady
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

They had better not lock these contracts up, I want to see Vitor in the UFC fighting at MW, Fedor as well!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: travo1978
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

briN said:
all this does is delays fedors entrance into another fighting organization... which we were all hoping would be the UFC but via articles have found that negotiations still havnt been going well...
hopefully they can re-sched this card for just a couple months later so barnett can pass the drug tests
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passing a drug test will not be an issue anymore when he more than likely gets a 1 yr suspension from the athletic commission

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: condrab
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Monopolies are bad when it comes to essential services. Power companies, phone services, waste removal, grocery stores. Things that people need and no matter what they will always need. A monopoly in mma isn't a bad thing. If the ufc had control over every major fighter on the planet, the quality wouldn't slip, and the prices wouldn't skyrocket. Because u can always say I don't want your product and I don't need your product. I'm going to the movies on a Saturday night. The problem is just the opposite. Guys like Tom attencio and Gary shaw were in the business to make a buck and nothing more. I'm not saying Dana is a saint that cares for the sport more than the cash. But he is a guy that cares about doing what's right for mma. Having no backup plan is irresponsible. If florian or Griffith have to pull out of ufc 101 a week before the event. I gurantee that Dana and Joe silva have a back up plan in place.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: briN
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

VB in the ufc would also be badass
fedor doesnt fight for the money... if he did he woulda be in the UFC long ago

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: buakaw_por_pramuk
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

babalu vs mousasi on August 15th, Mousasi wins and he's champ, BOTH stay in Strikeforce
Fedor in UFC
Barnett in Sengoku
Belfort in UFC
Buentello back in SF
yvel (maybe UFC maybe SF)
others? who cares?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dock59
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

it be the s--- if UFC got Fedor, Belort, Babalu, and Buentello. Alot of good fighters.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

condrab said:
Monopolies are bad when it comes to essential services. Power companies, phone services, waste removal, grocery stores. Things that people need and no matter what they will always need. A monopoly in mma isn't a bad thing. If the ufc had control over every major fighter on the planet, the quality wouldn't slip, and the prices wouldn't skyrocket. Because u can always say I don't want your product and I don't need your product. I'm going to the movies on a Saturday night. The problem is just the opposite. Guys like Tom attencio and Gary shaw were in the business to make a buck and nothing more. I'm not saying Dana is a saint that cares for the sport more than the cash. But he is a guy that cares about doing what's right for mma. Having no backup plan is irresponsible. If florian or Griffith have to pull out of ufc 101 a week before the event. I gurantee that Dana and Joe silva have a back up plan in place.
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The UFC has like 100000 fighters.. affliction did not, and it wasnt like Lauzon pulled out, it was freaking Barnett... but still, I think there is no point anymore to try to fight it. The UFC will turn into a monopoly, there will be no other crazy Atencion to jump into the fighting business as Atencio did, just let it be. Crazy how a irresponsabile action from one guy can change things for ever. Josh barnett = the best thing it could ever happen to UFC.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ShadyCambo
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

ACOGSCOPE said:
Who said Affliction is dead? The show got canceled. Did I miss something?
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Obviously you did if you don't see a correlation between the two.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

I think people are getting ahead of them selves here, Affliction isn't "dead".....yet, I predict that they have one more show, and that will be it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

They HAD Vitor, he retired, then came back to another org. Babalu was kicked out aftera couple losses, then a win, but held a choke long after the fight was ended and wouldn't let go. Many viewed his release as punishment for that incident, though it was never confirmed.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ShadyCambo
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Guys like Tom attencio and Gary shaw were in the business to make a buck
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And failed miserably at it!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

bjj_rage said:
condrab said:
Monopolies are bad when it comes to essential services. Power companies, phone services, waste removal, grocery stores. Things that people need and no matter what they will always need. A monopoly in mma isn't a bad thing. If the ufc had control over every major fighter on the planet, the quality wouldn't slip, and the prices wouldn't skyrocket. Because u can always say I don't want your product and I don't need your product. I'm going to the movies on a Saturday night. The problem is just the opposite. Guys like Tom attencio and Gary shaw were in the business to make a buck and nothing more. I'm not saying Dana is a saint that cares for the sport more than the cash. But he is a guy that cares about doing what's right for mma. Having no backup plan is irresponsible. If florian or Griffith have to pull out of ufc 101 a week before the event. I gurantee that Dana and Joe silva have a back up plan in place.
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The UFC has like 100000 fighters.. affliction did not, and it wasnt like Lauzon pulled out, it was freaking Barnett... but still, I think there is no point anymore to try to fight it. The UFC will turn into a monopoly, there will be no other crazy Atencion to jump into the fighting business as Atencio did, just let it be. Crazy how a irresponsabile action from one guy can change things for ever. Josh barnett = the best thing it could ever happen to UFC.
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:lol:
100,000 fighters eh? Try 192 at last count...lol. I think we get your point you were trying to make though.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phoenix-mma
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

Affliction still isn't technically dead. And since the event isnt taking place, then the fighters technically havent satisfied their fight contracts. It will be interesting to see if Affliction tries to put together another card by the end of the year, or if they loan them out to SF to carry out the contract stuff. As a fighter it would be frustrating. You're only fighting 1-2 a year, meanwhile the UFC and SF are putting on 10-12 events (or more) per year. So as a fighter who needs to make money, the obvious choice is to go to an organization that will gainfully employ you.
I hope this is more of a wake up for Fedors people. Guys like AS, GSP, Fedor, Lesnar are guys that fight and don't take alot of damage. If he came to the UFC he could fight 4x's per year. Thats what he should want, and thats definitely what the fans want.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FamilyGuy
Date: July 24, 2009 at 03:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/now-its-all-over-lets-move-on.15735/

phoenix-mma said:
Affliction still isn't technically dead. And since the event isnt taking place, then the fighters technically havent satisfied their fight contracts. It will be interesting to see if Affliction tries to put together another card by the end of the year, or if they loan them out to SF to carry out the contract stuff. As a fighter it would be frustrating. You're only fighting 1-2 a year, meanwhile the UFC and SF are putting on 10-12 events (or more) per year. So as a fighter who needs to make money, the obvious choice is to go to an organization that will gainfully employ you.
I hope this is more of a wake up for Fedors people. Guys like AS, GSP, Fedor, Lesnar are guys that fight and don't take alot of damage. If he came to the UFC he could fight 4x's per year. Thats what he should want, and thats definitely what the fans want.
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Would you really want to get excited for the next card they offer up - assuming you might be correct, and they try again in a few months? I know I personally won't get my hopes up for ANYTHING from Affliction again. They can announce a new card tomorrow - for next month - and in the back of my mind, I will question whether or not this type of thing is going to happen again. Seriously, and entire event cancelled because of ONE man??! That's just rediculous that they had literally ALL their interest in that card coming from a Fedor fight. And it's sad that they know that without Fedor, ONE MAN, they no longer have a card!
Take the UFC for example... if say - Brock is supposed to fight, and gets injured or fails a drug test... think of the ENDLESS main event replacement matches they could throw into that event instead. From any division. It would just be a matter of changing around another event coming up in a month or two.
It's sickening really.