Occlusion/Kaatsu training

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Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 19, 2015 at 02:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Anyone else try this? Basically, you restrict the blood flowing away from the muscle and workout with very light weight. You get a mega-pump in a short amount of time, which tricks the body to respond like it does to heavy intense lifting but with much less time and effort.
I tried it a little last night. I plan on supplementing my regular training with it and see how it goes. Studies are showing some real legitimacy. The official Kaatsu training device is expensive as f--- but you can use anything to restrict the blood flow. Obviously it's a bit dangerous if you're an idiot. It seems two basic rules to follow. 1. Don't restrict the blood entire. Maybe 70%. 2. Don't do it for long periods. I'm thinking nothing more than 30 minutes.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/...earchers-minds-bode-miller-comeback/22878671/
http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/do-you-occlude-what-occlusion-training
 
Originally posted by: Fight Magnet
Date: March 19, 2015 at 02:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

So.... it was the Japanese that came up with this as well.
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: March 19, 2015 at 06:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Sounds like a bunch of PoppyCock
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 19, 2015 at 09:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

cobra_punch said:
Sounds like a bunch of PoppyCock
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Says the guy who didn't bother to watch the video or read the articles. Science disagrees with your post.
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: March 19, 2015 at 11:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Sedulous said:
Says the guy who didn't bother to watch the video or read the articles. Science disagrees with your post.
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...unless he was talkin bout the PeterPump?
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 20, 2015 at 12:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Spidy said:
...unless he was talkin bout the PeterPump?
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I suppose "PoppyCock" could have been referring to that. In which case, lol
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: March 20, 2015 at 12:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

-I am not that clever
-I did not watch the video
-I did not read the article
But anyway, every week a new Fitness Fad comes out. I'll just chalk this up as one of those. Kinda like those "Foot-Glove" shoes.........
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: March 20, 2015 at 09:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

cobra_punch said:
-I am not that clever
-I did not watch the video
-I did not read the article
But anyway, every week a new Fitness Fad comes out. I'll just chalk this up as one of those. Kinda like those "Foot-Glove" shoes.........
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But you did buy the Pecker Pump?...
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 20, 2015 at 10:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

cobra_punch said:
-I am not that clever
-I did not watch the video
-I did not read the article
But anyway, every week a new Fitness Fad comes out. I'll just chalk this up as one of those. Kinda like those "Foot-Glove" shoes.........
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This has been researched for 50 years and just started gaining ground in the US over the last five. It's being tested on Olympic athletes with undeniable results. But ya, it's fad like the internet.
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: March 20, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Spidy said:
But you did buy the Pecker Pump?...
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Do they have extra small size ones for this?
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: March 20, 2015 at 11:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Sedulous said:
This has been researched for 50 years and just started gaining ground in the US over the last five. It's being tested on Olympic athletes with undeniable results. But ya, it's fad like the internet.
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UPDATE: I read the prose and watched the Vid. Doesn't look like a good training option, in my expert opinion. Maybe a good tool for recovery or rehabilitation, but I wouldn't use this method to get big or get more blood flow, etc. PS, the japanese don't exactly excel in sports now, do they?
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 20, 2015 at 11:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

I'll wait till this is featured on Dr. Oz before giving an informed opinion.
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: March 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Jak said:
I'll wait till this is featured on Dr. Oz before giving an informed opinion.
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But you already purchased the Peter Pump, right?
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: March 20, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

cobra_punch said:
UPDATE: I read the prose and watched the Vid. Doesn't look like a good training option, in my expert opinion. Maybe a good tool for recovery or rehabilitation, but I wouldn't use this method to get big or get more blood flow, etc. PS, the japanese don't exactly excel in sports now, do they?
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Dude. Have you seen their Gymnastics team?
 
Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: March 20, 2015 at 02:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

cobra_punch said:
UPDATE: I read the prose and watched the Vid. Doesn't look like a good training option, in my expert opinion. Maybe a good tool for recovery or rehabilitation, but I wouldn't use this method to get big or get more blood flow, etc. PS, the japanese don't exactly excel in sports now, do they?
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I think studies show a few benefits to supplementing this training with normal training. Particularly increases in strength, increase in the release of growth hormone, and reduction of myostatin. The idea seems to be you can more easily and more often put your body in a state where it responds as though you are putting it under extreme duress with heavy weight. More easily because the occlusion allows you to achieve an extreme pump very quickly, and more often because you are not tearing the actual muscle requiring recovery time. I believe you need that muscle breakdown to achieve size gains but the studies suggest one could at least maintain size and increase strength with occlusion training.
I plan on using finding out for myself if it can benefit me.
 
Originally posted by: Spidy
Date: March 20, 2015 at 03:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

Sedulous said:
I think studies show a few benefits to supplementing this training with normal training. Particularly increases in strength, increase in the release of growth hormone, and reduction of myostatin. The idea seems to be you can more easily and more often put your body in a state where it responds as though you are putting it under extreme duress with heavy weight. More easily because the occlusion allows you to achieve an extreme pump very quickly, and more often because you are not tearing the actual muscle requiring recovery time. I believe you need that muscle breakdown to achieve size gains but the studies suggest one could at least maintain size and increase strength with occlusion training.
I plan on using finding out for myself if it can benefit me.
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I found the article/video both interesting and logically sound.
I can especially see it possibly benefitting you Sed, due to the fact that Power lifting is a big part of your' training regimen. Like our boy Conor says, train smarter and a lil less overall wear and tear with similar biological results cannot hurt in the long run as far as continued gains and longevity go. Keep us posted on your' experimentation/results. If I was lifting Hardcore I'd give it a try.
 
Originally posted by: cobra_punch
Date: March 20, 2015 at 07:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/occlusion-kaatsu-training.65770/

You guys been watching too much Ultimate Warrior and Scott Steiner promos. They would tie things around their upper arms in order to make their veins pop out more
 
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