*Official UFC 100 - Mir/Lesnar-Gsp/Alves Discussion Thread*

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: June 14, 2009 at 06:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

So it's finally upon us. The next UFC card has 2 highly anticipated title fights! Will Lesnar get revenge, or will he get submitted again. Can Alves step up and ko GSP, or will he get taken down and grounded. Will Henderson do us all a favor...
, will Thiago prove his win over Kos wasn't a fluke or will Fitch continue to reign as one of the top WW!
MAIN CARD
Champ Brock Lesnar vs. interim champ Frank Mir (heavyweight title unification)
Champ Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves (for welterweight title)
Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago
Michael Bisping vs. Dan Henderson
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher
PRELIMINARY CARD
Stephan Bonnar vs. Mark Coleman
Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien
Dong Hyun Kim vs. TBA
Mac Danzig vs. Jim Miller
C.B. Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor
Matt Grice vs. Shannon Gugert

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: June 14, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Mir (accidently hit Lesnar)
GSP
Bisping
Thiago
Coleman

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: veritas
Date: June 14, 2009 at 06:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

brock- dominate fashion
gsp - a la bj penn
henderson - ko (hopefully)
fitch - UD
colman - ko(bais opinion bonner probably wins)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: June 14, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

i'm surprised that more people think paulo thiago has a better chance of beating fitch than alves does. same with bisping.
the chatter here has bee quite pro alves. i guess people ain't puttin' their money where their mouth is (mouths are?)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: June 14, 2009 at 07:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

I only care about 1 fight.
Frank Mir defeats Brock Lesnar via Submission (Shoulder Lock) 3:00 into Round 2
Brocks not gonna get caught with a common submission, he's had plenty of time to train and Mir isn't going to stun him with strikes. He is going to have to submit him with something like a Toe Hold, Ankle Lock, Shoulder Lock, maybe a Kimura, Omaplata, Gogoplata, Kneebar. I don't know, but Mir is winning.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: cool14
Date: June 14, 2009 at 08:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Brock Lesnar
Thiago Alves
Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago : I want Paulo Thiago to win but i think Fitch will win it .
Michael Bisping
Yoshihiro Akiyama
Stephan Bonnar
Jon Jones
Jim Miller
C.B. Dollaway

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: June 14, 2009 at 08:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Dong Hyun Kim should get kampmann a win over him would be more impressive than goulet :twisted: he should be 12-0 imo

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: June 14, 2009 at 08:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Jak said:
So it's finally upon us. The next UFC card has 2 highly anticipated title fights! Will Lesnar get revenge, or will he get submitted again. Can Alves step up and ko GSP, or will he get taken down and grounded. Will Henderson do us all a favor...
, will Thiago prove his win over Kos wasn't a fluke or will Fitch continue to reign as one of the top WW!
MAIN CARD
Champ Brock Lesnar vs. interim champ Frank Mir (heavyweight title unification)
Champ Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves (for welterweight title)
Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago
Michael Bisping vs. Dan Henderson
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher
PRELIMINARY CARD
Stephan Bonnar vs. Mark Coleman
Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien
Dong Hyun Kim vs. TBA
Mac Danzig vs. Jim Miller
C.B. Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor
Matt Grice vs. Shannon Gugert
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Champ Brock Lesnar vs. interim champ Frank Mir (heavyweight title unification) - I really think Lesnar is going to take it. Its gonna be a battle, but I don't think that Mir is going to lock in some half-way heel-hook, or anything like that. And forget about arm bars or triangles, Lesnar is just too big to really lock in those holds. Lesnar has learned probably the fastest out of ANY wrestler getting into the MMA game. Mir is a great HW, don't get me wrong, but I am not sure he can match the power of Brock.
Champ Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves (for welterweight title) - GSP definitly. He is just an AMAZING athlete, and I am not too sure that Thaigo is going to be able to stop him.
Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago - Not really sure on this one, didnt vote.
Michael Bisping vs. Dan Henderson - I just want Hendo to take out Bisping, just for nothing more then half of the crap that Bisping has been saying on TUF all the time. That, and Hendo is a STRONG dude, and his wrestling is simply amazing.
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher - Same, not really sure, and I know nothing of either fighter.
PRELIMINARY CARD
Stephan Bonnar vs. Mark Coleman
Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien
Dong Hyun Kim vs. TBA
Mac Danzig vs. Jim Miller
C.B. Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor - I just want CB to win, for nothing more then watching him use that Pruvian Necktie again.
Matt Grice vs. Shannon Gugert

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: June 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Champ Brock Lesnar vs. interim champ Frank Mir (heavyweight title unification)
Lesnar, without a doubt. It's going to be the first fight again, without a referee thinking that he's a tag team partner. No sub for Mir this time, and unless he plans his afterparty for the damn hospital, he's going to miss it.
Champ Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves (for welterweight title)
Tremendous match up, but I see GSP keeping this one low to the ground and working a very long course of GnP for Alves. If he doesn't drag Alves down, I think Alves knocks him out, but I don't see GSP failing this test.
Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago
Paulo was a little fortunate against Koscheck, in my opinion, and Jon Fitch is too tough for him. I think it's submission time in the 2nd.
Michael Bisping vs. Dan Henderson
Bisping's in a lot of trouble. Henderson is no joke, he can't box away from him, he can't stay standing around him. He's going to be brought down and beaten convincingly.
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher
Akiyama, decisively
PRELIMINARY CARD
Stephan Bonnar vs. Mark Coleman
Bonnar by submission, he'll pinch the hose to Coleman's oxygen tank until Coleman has to tap.
Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien
Jones by insane ragdolling.
Dong Hyun Kim vs. TBA
I think Kim had a draw with Brown, but other than that, I'm impressed. Kim over TBA, unless TBA can close the distance on Kim without getting wrapped up. I hope Kim doesn't underestimate TBA's striking ,he's got a lot of power in his shots.
Mac Danzig vs. Jim Miller
Danzig via uninspiring decision.
C.B. Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor
Dollaway wins this, but no necktie.
Matt Grice vs. Shannon Gugert
No opinion. Picking Grice because Shannon is a girl's name.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PayaamElixir
Date: June 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Lesnar but will root for the other guy
GSP
Paulo Thiago
Henderson
Bonner
Its a stronger than average card, but for ufc 100, their should have been 1 more big fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: June 15, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

roclawzi thinks Jon Fitch is submitting a BJJ black belt?
i hope he does win, but i doubt it's gonna happen like that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: June 15, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

grapplethis said:
roclawzi thinks Jon Fitch is submitting a BJJ black belt?
i hope he does win, but i doubt it's gonna happen like that.
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Fitch is a black belt himself, but it's more of a matter of several other things. One, Fitch hasn't been submitted since his first fight as a professional, and he's just got a big gas tank and is hard as nails. Thiago hasn't subbed anyone in a while and may be moving a little away from those roots, but the strength and toughness of Fitch could be leave Paulo going for subs that he doesn't get and he'll wear himself out on the ground, leaving Fitch to outwork Thiago on the ground and end up with the submission. I think Thiago has the more complete submission toolbox, but Fitch's style is basic and effective.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: June 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Roclawzi said:
grapplethis said:
roclawzi thinks Jon Fitch is submitting a BJJ black belt?
i hope he does win, but i doubt it's gonna happen like that.
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Fitch is a black belt himself, but it's more of a matter of several other things. One, Fitch hasn't been submitted since his first fight as a professional, and he's just got a big gas tank and is hard as nails. Thiago hasn't subbed anyone in a while and may be moving a little away from those roots, but the strength and toughness of Fitch could be leave Paulo going for subs that he doesn't get and he'll wear himself out on the ground, leaving Fitch to outwork Thiago on the ground and end up with the submission. I think Thiago has the more complete submission toolbox, but Fitch's style is basic and effective.
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i see your point for sure. i just think thiago's gonna show off some escapes

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: June 15, 2009 at 01:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

I'm surprised Thiago ended up on this bill.
Good luck to him.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: nydawg
Date: June 15, 2009 at 01:24 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Mir
GSP
Henderson (hope he KO's Bisping)
Fitch
Bonner

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafanatic
Date: June 15, 2009 at 04:30 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

Mir
GSP
Bisping
Fitch
Akiyama
Bonner
Kim
Dollaway
Grice

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmaBrazil
Date: June 15, 2009 at 07:26 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

dan henderson
Paulo thiago ( i hope)
thiago alves
Frank mir
UNDERCARD
Colemam
Mac Danzig
Jon jones
Cb dollaway

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: June 15, 2009 at 08:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

mmaBrazil said:
dan henderson
Paulo thiago ( i hope)
thiago alves
Frank mir
UNDERCARD
Colemam
Mac Danzig
Jon jones
Cb dollaway
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mmaBrazil? Fala português?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheIceMan2010
Date: June 15, 2009 at 08:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

I keep reading about Brock Lesnar being such a quick learner and how incredible he is, etc..etc..etc..
Based on what? The fight with Randy?? Really? Because what I saw in that fight was the same old Brock Lesnar. A guy with imposing size and strength whose only real weapon is an overhand right and a bunch of hammer fists. The same thing he showed in the fight with Mir he showed against Herring and he showed against Couture. The only real difference between the first and the last was he showed some patience against Couture. Oh, and also that he was smart enough to grab the fence to avoid beind dumped on his head.
At least half of that fight Couture had him pressed against the cage. A 220lb guy had this big giant of 280lbs. pressed against the cage and very nearly had him dumped on his head until Brock grabbed the cage.... on more than one occasion.
By the end of the fight Lesnar was sucking wind, having his TDA's stuffed by a 45 year old 220 pounder and holding onto the cage to avoid being taken down himself..... What saved him? That big right hand and the hammer fists. Huh! The very same two "skills" he's displayed from the beginning.
So, tell me again, how exactly has Brock Lesnar so vastly improved that he stands anymore of a chance THIS time around? Survive the initial onslaught and anyone with a ground game beats him. Survive the initial onslaught and anyone with better than average stand up beats him. My God, RANDY was outboxing him! Bobbing, weaving, making him miss, landing his own punches at will.
Watch that fight again and tell me that had Randy, at any one of a dozen times, pulled away from the clinch and thrown as big a right as he had in him, that Brock wouldn't have folded to the mat! While Randy employed some dirty boxing, for sure, he didn't take it far enough. If he had, he just might have knocked that big gorilla out.
Of course, as long as Lesnar is standing he has a shot at KOing anybody in the world, he's just too damn big and strong. But, to say he's this "natural" and is such a fast learner of the MMA game is just disingenuous.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: June 15, 2009 at 08:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-100-mir-lesnar-gsp-alves-discussion-thread.14460/

^^^^^^
All very good points which will be answered at the main event.