Official UFC 177 Discussion Thread

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: September 01, 2014 at 02:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

coreymb said:
I tend to agree with all this. Does barao cut alot of weight? Yes. But he's never really had major issues. It's completely believeable that he got up too quick and fainted. Cutting weight is brutal. Even fighters cutting 5-10 pounds day of weigh in the sauna(many fighters do this, I know koscheck does) is enough to make you feint. That being said, barao still put himself in that position , so I do agree with white. I'm just not quick to say he has to move up.
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RB's non fight weight is reportedly around 170 pounds, with the end cut being 22 pounds. And his camp floated the story that he had a bad cut at 173 and that it played a role in his loss. As far as amounts cut the day of weigh-ins, most videos I have seen have guys within 5 pounds the day of. Not saying some are not cutting more, but most footage that I have seen have them dropping a fairly low amount the day of.
CopperHeart said:
Somewhat. Leandro Souza would train there part-time.
Pederneiras wasn't involved in that incident.
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/09/brazilian-mma-fighter-dies-just-prior-to-shooto-brazil-43-weigh-ins
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Pederneiras was in charge of the event and the fighter was representing his camp.
This is from MMA Fighting:
"We don’t have much information yet," Feijao’s teammate
Andre Santos
told MMAFighting.com, "but we do know that is related to his weight cut. He’s my student but he also trains at Nova Uniao for about a year. I wasn’t with him during this process because I have a fight scheduled in Russia, s
o he spent the night at Nova Uniao’s gym.
His sister called me saying that he had passed out so I went to the hospital, but he was already dead when I got there."
So he was working with Nova Uniao during the cut. I am not saying Pederneiras was overseeing the cut, but it is another example of cutting issues at that camp. Aldo has had multiple bad cuts and now Barao has as well.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: September 01, 2014 at 02:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

I think some on here would be surprised at the weight fighters cut the final week and day.
Also, like it's been talked about, this is barao's first real f--- up with weight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: FaruqAbdullah
Date: September 01, 2014 at 02:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

His metabolism has obviously changed since he is older now then 12 weight cuts ago. Move up or suffer consequences like this.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: September 01, 2014 at 02:28 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

MysterLynch said:
Pederneiras was in charge of the event and the fighter was representing his camp.
This is from MMA Fighting:
"We don’t have much information yet," Feijao’s teammate
Andre Santos
told MMAFighting.com, "but we do know that is related to his weight cut. He’s my student but he also trains at Nova Uniao for about a year. I wasn’t with him during this process because I have a fight scheduled in Russia, s
o he spent the night at Nova Uniao’s gym.
His sister called me saying that he had passed out so I went to the hospital, but he was already dead when I got there."
So he was working with Nova Uniao during the cut. I am not saying Pederneiras was overseeing the cut, but it is another example of cutting issues at that camp. Aldo has had multiple bad cuts and now Barao has as well.
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Found my notes from communicating with Leandro Souza's trainer Andre 'Chatuba' Santos.:
"Yesterday I was not with Leandro for the Shooto weighins, as I have a fight scheduled in Russia on the 4th, and I'm training extensively. He agreed to go to the weighins with another student of mine, but on Wednesday he decided to sleep at Nova Uniao since he also trains there. I have no relationship with Nova Uniao. My athlete merely trained there. Later on I was informed that he felt unwell and was taken to the emergency unit ("UPA"). When I found out, I drove there with a cousin of his. When I arrived at the emergency unit, I met with his sister. Twenty minutes later we received the news from a nurse that he had passed away.
A Nova Uniao athlete who was there said that he was in the sauna and had 900 g to go, to make weight. Then he passed out and was rushed to the unit by the same athlete.
He never had problems (cutting weight) before. He'd done this several times."
Later it was reported that diuretics were a factor:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/9/2...a-took-diuretic-pills-before-shooto-weigh-ins
And supposedly a stroke is what killed him:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/439049/Fighter-in-Brazil-dies-from-stroke-during-weight-cut/

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: September 01, 2014 at 11:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

coreymb said:
I think some on here would be surprised at the weight fighters cut the final week and day.
Also, like it's been talked about, this is barao's first real f--- up with weight.
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He even said it's a process he has done multiple times, he did one thing wrong and that was standing up faster than he should up which lead to him getting light-headed to the point of falling. He knows where he went wrong. But this is the internet, so we should just not believe him and tell him what he should do with his career apparently.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: September 01, 2014 at 11:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

JonnyRico said:
But this is the internet, so we should just not believe him and tell him what he should do with his career apparently.
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To be honest, i think that's the best approach to this situation.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyRico
Date: September 01, 2014 at 11:20 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

Jak said:
To be honest, i think that's the best approach to this situation.
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It's the only approach some know here

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: September 01, 2014 at 04:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: September 01, 2014 at 04:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

Joe Soto is in the UFC rankings.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: September 01, 2014 at 10:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: newERA
Date: September 01, 2014 at 11:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

Spud said:
Joe Soto is in the UFC rankings.
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For losing?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: LighthouseKeeper
Date: September 03, 2014 at 07:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/official-ufc-177-discussion-thread.63613/

Watched the fights today. Enjoyed seeing KO of Nijem and the weird sub by the Diaz-lite from Hawaii... f--- I can't remember his name.
Co-main was s--- but I was happy with the decision, I liked that call. Holding someone down and offering literally 0 offense while getting attacked with elbows and subs shouldn't win you a fight, and I'm glad it didn't.
Main event was very interesting! Soto proved to be a worthy competitor, doing better than Barao and showing that T.J. still has some areas in which he can improve. He gets hit quite a lot.
The finish was pretty awesome as well, I loved how he stepped into that headkick.
Overall not too bad, but I'm not bummed out that I didn't watch it live.