one thing about the bellator reality show

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Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 03:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

Okay, before you flame me, hear me out. *skip to the last paragraph if you don't feel like reading*
Bellator has notoriously been butthurt when fighters sign to the UFC/Zuffa. Brookins, Hollett and now Eddie Alvarez have all had issues with bellator when signing with the UFC. This alone will cause fighters to think twice about signing with bellator, because if you are successful, you are stuck in bellator and not making UFC money, but if you're unsuccessful and get cut, then odds are Zuffa won't be rushing to sign you.
So, if you win, you are stuck and not able to make UFC money, but if you are unsuccessful, chances are joe silva isn't looking to sign you. So what is there to gain long-term? You get stuck in a contract and bellator lets you sign with any other promotion except UFC. (this is proven fact, brookins fought twice before being on the ultimate fighter and when he was successful on TUF bellator tried to sue him for breach of contract, but when he was in the 2 smaller shows before TUF, bellator had no problem.)
this leads to my next point, if they do the reality show in the same way as TUF. (as in they have fighters stay in a house together.) I don't think the fighters will have the same drive as they do in TUF, because the reward for winning not that great (UFC contract > bellator contract) and they will know that their career can't go to the highest level.
Think of it like this, if you were a football player, would your highest career aspiration be for you to be the best college football player or NFL football player? You'd think a person who wanted to be a successful football player would want to eventually make it to the NFL right? Same thing with bellator. The fighters know that they're in the number 2 organization and there is no chance to ever make it to the UFC unless zuffa comes to the rescue like they did to lombard.
No disrespect to bellator, just calling it like i see it, everybody wants to be UFC Champion, and signing with bellator prevents that completely. Every young fighter wants to one day make it to the UFC, they don't want to sign with bellator and possibly never get out, stuck with less pay than UFC on spike tv working for a company that literally "owns" you. Yes, i even think there is something in the contract that allows them to attempt to prevent you from re-signign with another promotion AFTER the match period is up.
Long story short, the fighters on "The Bellator Fighter" or whatever won't have the same motivation as fighters in TUF because if they win their career has practically plateau'd, and they will never have a chance to make huge PPV money. Every young fighter dreams of being in the UFC and being on TUF is a dream come true, compare that to being on bellator's ultimate fighter is like comparing fine dining to mcdonalds.
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 03:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

successful fighter in bellator = you don't make as much money as you would in ufc and you're stuck forever.
unsuccessful fighter in bellator = career is probably done unless you can find success in smaller promotions.
 
Originally posted by: The Green_Wombat
Date: January 29, 2013 at 03:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

Do they have good chins though.. that is the question
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 03:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

iceman22 said:
Do they have good chins though.. that is the question
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i don't see how that has any relevance to what i posted.
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: January 29, 2013 at 03:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

If you are out for a pay day, you are not going to care what name is writing the checks.
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 04:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

yes, but would you wanna leave your job to work for company A for the rest of your career when you may be able to work for company B in a few years, when company B pays much more, has better insurance and makes more money?
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: January 29, 2013 at 04:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

BRF said:
yes, but would you wanna leave your job to work for company A for the rest of your career when you may be able to work for company B in a few years, when company B pays much more, has better insurance and makes more money?
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Again, there are limited spots in company B, and if you are starving, you do not care that A offers less in the "long-term career".
You need to get paid, and that is what boils down to.
Watch the documentary "fightville" interesting take from a trainer in that piece that shows that most MMA fighters lose money when getting in to the sport.
 
Originally posted by: smartigan
Date: January 29, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

Be a success and you will end up in the UFC regardless where you come from
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

abc0331 said:
Again, there are limited spots in company B, and if you are starving, you do not care that A offers less in the "long-term career".
You need to get paid, and that is what boils down to.
Watch the documentary "fightville" interesting take from a trainer in that piece that shows that most MMA fighters lose money when getting in to the sport.
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well why not fight for another promotion other than bellator in the meantime?
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 06:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

https://twitter.com/Ealvarezfight/status/296390960932343809
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 06:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

looks like somebody appreciates what i wrote
 
Originally posted by: abc0331
Date: January 29, 2013 at 06:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

BRF said:
looks like somebody appreciates what i wrote
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For those of us above 20, what did twitter have to say?
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: January 29, 2013 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

I don't think there is anything wrong with fighters going to Bellator.
However, if ultimately their goal is to get into the UFC, maybe they should avoid it. I mean notice how some guys that get cut from the UFC aren't running to Bellator, almost like they are holding off. I think they want something more temporary to try and eventually get back into th euFC.
Eddie Alvarez signing with Bellator wasn't a bad move at the time. They gave him the biggest money he could get at the time. He probably able to make $100K on all his fights after he won the title. However, now he's stuck and can't get the deal he wants.
I just think fighters have to make a decision. If they need the deal and they need the money they should go ahead and take it. But if longterm they want to make a go of the UFC, then they should opt out of Bellator for now and take the long road to the UFC. Maybe if UFC doesn't work out they should try Bellator. Even though Rebney says they don't want UFC rejects, look at how many of them they have picked up. Rebney calls Jon Koppenhaver, Ben Saunders, and Paul Daley "rock stars."
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 29, 2013 at 07:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

abc0331 said:
For those of us above 20, what did twitter have to say?
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Following

Edward Alvarez

@
Ealvarezfight

@
UFCpwnsBELLATOR
appreciate the love big homie
 
Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: January 29, 2013 at 09:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

Treating employees bad is the worst thing you can do when you run a company. The UFC has constant praise from the majority of their fighters in regards to salary/how they are treated in regards to personal/medical issues. That's why when Rampage/Nick Diaz come out and whine about money it essentially falls on deaf ears and they look ridiculous.
The sick part is...the UFC doesn't even have to bend over backwards for fighters the way they do. I don't think anybody really gets that. Where else are they really going to go that gets them this kind of global exposure?? That's why it kind of pisses me off when fighters complain about it...but hey, I don't live their life. I just work my 40 hours/week day job not even close to making one FOTN bonus, while they train for a living and fight for 45 minutes a year.
In any case...mark my words, Viacom is going to destroy Bellator if they continue down the path they are heading.
 
Originally posted by: MoJoJo
Date: January 29, 2013 at 09:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

BRF said:
Following

Edward Alvarez

@
Ealvarezfight

@
UFCpwnsBELLATOR
appreciate the love big homie
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I dont tweet nor do I facebook, so please excuse my ignorance, but how is what Alvarez tweeted, appreciating what you wrote?
Edit: I figured it out. Pretty cool.
 
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: January 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

"the fighters on "The Bellator Fighter" or whatever won't have the same motivation as fighters in TUF because if they win their career has practically plateau'd, and they will never have a chance to make huge PPV money."
lol
 
Originally posted by: BRF
Date: January 30, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
"the fighters on "The Bellator Fighter" or whatever won't have the same motivation as fighters in TUF because if they win their career has practically plateau'd, and they will never have a chance to make huge PPV money."
lol
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making 100,000 a fight is nice, but making 300,000, fighting on fox infront of 6 million people and making huge sponsor money is better.
and i have a feeling that bellator will have mismatches in these tourneys so one fighter will look really dominant.
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: January 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

Look at King Mo's opponents. Deck was clearly stacked so Mo would have an easier time with the tournament.
 
Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: January 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/one-thing-about-the-bellator-reality-show.51346/

TheVileOne said:
Look at King Mo's opponents. Deck was clearly stacked so Mo would have an easier time with the tournament.
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fail. Emmanuel Newton is the 2nd best fighter out the 8 quarter-finalists
 
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