Pat Barry talks about Jon Jones refusing to fight Chael
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Pat brings up some great points. Personally, the "anybody anytime" attitude is something that is mandatory when your position with the company is in doubt. If you're an undercard fighter trying to secure a career with the UFC, then yes, you better not EVER say no to a fight. For a champion it's a bit different. Especially a last second replacement fight.
Secondly, Chaels manager said, "he hasn't put on a pair of gloves since he took the other ones off after the Anderson Silva fight. He hasn't been training except for some light jogging". I don't believe that for a second. So a guy that hasn't trained in 6 weeks wants to get ready for the most dangerous man in MMA in 4 days? :roll: And if that's the case, then the UFC is doing us a disservice by throwing together a crap fight just to save a card, and not a fight between 2 well prepared fighters looking to put on a great performance.
phoenix-mma said:
Pat brings up some great points. Personally, the "anybody anytime" attitude is something that is mandatory when your position with the company is in doubt. If you're an undercard fighter trying to secure a career with the UFC, then yes, you better not EVER say no to a fight. For a champion it's a bit different. Especially a last second replacement fight.
Secondly, Chaels manager said, "he hasn't put on a pair of gloves since he took the other ones off after the Anderson Silva fight. He hasn't been training except for some light jogging". I don't believe that for a second. So a guy that hasn't trained in 6 weeks wants to get ready for the most dangerous man in MMA in 4 days? :roll: And if that's the case, then the UFC is doing us a disservice by throwing together a crap fight just to save a card, and not a fight between 2 well prepared fighters looking to put on a great performance.
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exactly with the Chael part........and it is just completely odd that hendo hurt his knee a few weeks ago and around the same time Chael started a twitter war with Jones.
i don't care what his manager says..........that s hit is fishy as hell.
mabrown45 said:
phoenix-mma said:
Pat brings up some great points. Personally, the "anybody anytime" attitude is something that is mandatory when your position with the company is in doubt. If you're an undercard fighter trying to secure a career with the UFC, then yes, you better not EVER say no to a fight. For a champion it's a bit different. Especially a last second replacement fight.
Secondly, Chaels manager said, "he hasn't put on a pair of gloves since he took the other ones off after the Anderson Silva fight. He hasn't been training except for some light jogging". I don't believe that for a second. So a guy that hasn't trained in 6 weeks wants to get ready for the most dangerous man in MMA in 4 days? :roll: And if that's the case, then the UFC is doing us a disservice by throwing together a crap fight just to save a card, and not a fight between 2 well prepared fighters looking to put on a great performance.
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exactly with the Chael part........and it is just completely odd that hendo hurt his knee a few weeks ago and around the same time Chael started a twitter war with Jones.
i don't care what his manager says..........that s hit is fishy as hell.
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I agree 100%. And i said the same thing when it happened. They can deny it til they're blue in the face, but Chael knew about the injury and started the beef with Jones to set the table for when the official announcement was mafe about Hendo. Fishy as hell.
phoenix-mma said:
mabrown45 said:
exactly with the Chael part........and it is just completely odd that hendo hurt his knee a few weeks ago and around the same time Chael started a twitter war with Jones.
i don't care what his manager says..........that s hit is fishy as hell.
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I agree 100%. And i said the same thing when it happened. They can deny it til they're blue in the face, but Chael knew about the injury and started the beef with Jones to set the table for when the official announcement was mafe about Hendo. Fishy as hell.
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i was right there with you, said it right after the hendo announcement. Didn't really get to say too much cuz then i got banned for a few days
So what if Chael knew weeks in advance at the most he would have had three weeks to train for jones when Jones has had a full training camp where i bet most of it was just him prepping for the H bomb and not much else since Hendo really doesn't use his wrestling much anymore (Fedor fight was the first time i seen him use it in a long time and that was just o get up from fedor GnP) Jones shrugged of Shad's wrestling and he is one of the best wrestlers at 205, one of the other bests was Davis who was out wrestled by Shad. I think Chael's wouldn't even be close to being enough for jones. All Chael really has is wrestling for jones because I don't see him getting close to strike with him. Chael's game plan is the same every fight. It would have been a cake walk for Jones to take the fight, make a title defense and get paid simple as that. Jones calls himself a warrior, and all this once stated he would never turn down a fight at anytime ever, but look what he did. A warrior must change their way of fighting and who they fight at a moments notice. Sure Jones spouted off "I signed a contract to fight this person" he aslo signed a contract about defending his title on that date as well. We see it for every card, "Card Subject To Change" it should read that in every single contract as well.
ChaosGod said:
So what if Chael knew weeks in advance at the most he would have had three weeks to train for jones when Jones has had a full training camp where i bet most of it was just him prepping for the H bomb and not much else since Hendo really doesn't use his wrestling much anymore (Fedor fight was the first time i seen him use it in a long time and that was just o get up from fedor GnP) Jones shrugged of Shad's wrestling and he is one of the best wrestlers at 205, one of the other bests was Davis who was out wrestled by Shad. I think Chael's wouldn't even be close to being enough for jones. All Chael really has is wrestling for jones because I don't see him getting close to strike with him. Chael's game plan is the same every fight. It would have been a cake walk for Jones to take the fight, make a title defense and get paid simple as that. Jones calls himself a warrior, and all this once stated he would never turn down a fight at anytime ever, but look what he did. A warrior must change their way of fighting and who they fight at a moments notice. Sure Jones spouted off "I signed a contract to fight this person" he aslo signed a contract about defending his title on that date as well. We see it for every card, "Card Subject To Change" it should read that in every single contract as well.
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Qft.
MoJoJo said:
Makes some good points, but any fighter that calls themselves a warrior should never turn down a fight. Warriors fight, plain and simple.
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Well that is the problem with the term "warrior".
It is a ridiculous claim to begin with.
Warrior implies many things in the classic definition of the term; but most importantly it is someone that will take a life, or their own life in combat for a particular cause, ideal or leader.
No athlete, football player or MMA fighter fits that mold because they are prized athletes being pampered to play a game their entire life.
It is crazy for a fighter to call themselves one, just like it is asinine to hold prize fighters accountable to ideals of a warrior.
ChaosGod said:
So what if Chael knew weeks in advance at the most he would have had three weeks to train for jones when
Jones has had a full training camp where i bet most of it was just him prepping for the H bomb
and not much else since Hendo really doesn't use his wrestling much anymore (Fedor fight was the first time i seen him use it in a long time and that was just o get up from fedor GnP) Jones shrugged of Shad's wrestling and he is one of the best wrestlers at 205, one of the other bests was Davis who was out wrestled by Shad. I think Chael's wouldn't even be close to being enough for jones. All Chael really has is wrestling for jones because I don't see him getting close to strike with him. Chael's game plan is the same every fight. It would have been a cake walk for Jones to take the fight, make a title defense and get paid simple as that. Jones calls himself a warrior, and all this once stated he would never turn down a fight at anytime ever, but look what he did. A warrior must change their way of fighting and who they fight at a moments notice. Sure Jones spouted off "I signed a contract to fight this person" he aslo signed a contract about defending his title on that date as well. We see it for every card, "Card Subject To Change" it should read that in every single contract as well.
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So, he spent most of his camp on something that was completely irrelevant to a fight against Sonnen, yet you believe he was fully prepared for Sonnen?
Jones may call himself a warrior, but he also calls himself a professional.
Alas, until every fight contract reads "opponent subject to change" your whole point about being able to change their way of fighting and who they are fighting at a moment's notice is completely unfounded.
mabrown45 said:
phoenix-mma said:
Pat brings up some great points. Personally, the "anybody anytime" attitude is something that is mandatory when your position with the company is in doubt. If you're an undercard fighter trying to secure a career with the UFC, then yes, you better not EVER say no to a fight. For a champion it's a bit different. Especially a last second replacement fight.
Secondly, Chaels manager said, "he hasn't put on a pair of gloves since he took the other ones off after the Anderson Silva fight. He hasn't been training except for some light jogging". I don't believe that for a second. So a guy that hasn't trained in 6 weeks wants to get ready for the most dangerous man in MMA in 4 days? :roll: And if that's the case, then the UFC is doing us a disservice by throwing together a crap fight just to save a card, and not a fight between 2 well prepared fighters looking to put on a great performance.
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exactly with the Chael part........and it is just completely odd that hendo hurt his knee a few weeks ago and around the same time Chael started a twitter war with Jones.
i don't care what his manager says..........that s hit is fishy as hell.
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If we consider BuffaloBlue to be credible, Chael is likely to fight someone else before he fights Forrest. Hmmm. So he hasn't trained at all and is completely out of shape, but volunteers to fight Jones, and when that falls through, he's ready for another fight as soon as possible. But, he wasn't training or in shape or anything.
I consider Blue to be as credible a source as thete is. But i also know Hendos camp will only release or afmit so much. Deny deny deny.
Chael & Dan will never admit it even if what we all suspect is, in fact reality. But they have to know you can't call a dog an elephant and expect us to believe it.
ResoluteProtector said:
MoJoJo said:
Makes some good points, but any fighter that calls themselves a warrior should never turn down a fight. Warriors fight, plain and simple.
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What type of warriors are you talking about? Better yet, what movie?
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Odd, I thought he might have been talking about the eponymous movie: Warriors. But, they spend the better part of that movie running from other gangs, so maybe that isn't the one he had in mind.
abc0331 said:
MoJoJo said:
Makes some good points, but any fighter that calls themselves a warrior should never turn down a fight. Warriors fight, plain and simple.
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Well that is the problem with the term "warrior".
It is a ridiculous claim to begin with.
Warrior implies many things in the classic definition of the term; but most importantly it is someone that will take a life, or their own life in combat for a particular cause, ideal or leader.
No athlete, football player or MMA fighter fits that mold because they are prized athletes being pampered to play a game their entire life.
It is crazy for a fighter to call themselves one, just like it is asinine to hold prize fighters accountable to ideals of a warrior.
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I guess that all depends on what nationality you are! Hawaiians arent to far removed from a sovereign nation run by a monarchy that was protected by warriors! Warrior might be a word becoming cliche but warrior culture is not extinct!
ResoluteProtector said:
MoJoJo said:
Makes some good points, but any fighter that calls themselves a warrior should never turn down a fight. Warriors fight, plain and simple.
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What type of warriors are you talking about? Better yet, what movie?
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MMA fighters always liken themselves to warriors. Hence, if they truly thought themselves a warrior, they would fight anybody that was offered to them. I wasn't referencing the movie ( never watched it ).
MoJoJo said:
ResoluteProtector said:
MoJoJo said:
Makes some good points, but any fighter that calls themselves a warrior should never turn down a fight. Warriors fight, plain and simple.
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What type of warriors are you talking about? Better yet, what movie?
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MMA fighters always liken themselves to warriors. Hence, if they truly thought themselves a warrior, they would fight anybody that was offered to them. I wasn't referencing the movie ( never watched it ).
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hmmm so back in the real day of warriors you are assuming none of them turned down a fight?..........none of them would rather have peace than war?
you even said it yourself in this reply........you said they "liken" themselves to warriors.......as in they are not completely like a warrior, so by your own definition what he did should be fine since he is only "like" a warrior and not one
i bet you believed them when they had the gladiator intro........as i bet you really thought they fought to the death and russel crowe was the undisputed HW champ