Paul Heyman: At 100% health, no fighter could have touched Brock Lesnar
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PhilC said:
Daniel Cormier
Big Nog
Roy Nelson
Have no right to be in the ufc?
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And all of these fights where boring as hell! Mir makes the fights boring.
DC was playing safe, big nog lost two fights he should have won but didn't because he is past his time, and Roy Nelson can't win decisions because he always gets out pointed besides when he lands that overhand right,
SmibIAOM said:
And all of these fights where boring as hell! Mir makes the fights boring.
DC was playing safe, big nog lost two fights he should have won but didn't because he is past his time, and Roy Nelson can't win decisions because he always gets out pointed besides when he lands that overhand right,
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I did not think the Mir vs Nog fights were boring.
SmibIAOM said:
And all of these fights where boring as hell! Mir makes the fights boring.
DC was playing safe, big nog lost two fights he should have won but didn't because he is past his time, and Roy Nelson can't win decisions because he always gets out pointed besides when he lands that overhand right,
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So, have they no right to be in the UFC or not?
phoenix-mma said:
A 100% healthy Lesnar still has a vagina ripped into the side of his face by Cain.
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Most likely. But I said again, I think that if there was a 100% healthy Lesnar in his entire MMA career, he could have ended things differently. First, more time for training. He missed what, almost a year and a half of JUST training (learning new techniques, working on current). That, along with being already in his late 20s when he started, just derailed someone who was just athleticly gifted like few HWs really are.
IF, and I repeat, IF he stayed healthy, he could have been maybe one of the best HWs to compete.
Tgilb2007 said:
Most likely. But I said again, I think that if there was a 100% healthy Lesnar in his entire MMA career, he could have ended things differently. First, more time for training. He missed what, almost a year and a half of JUST training (learning new techniques, working on current). That, along with being already in his late 20s when he started, just derailed someone who was just athleticly gifted like few HWs really are.
IF, and I repeat, IF he stayed healthy, he could have been maybe one of the best HWs to compete.
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The biggest issue for Lesnar was that he was incredibly one dimensional. Once he ran into grapples he couldn't take (or keep) down, it was over.
For wrestlers, both Cain & DC are incredibly well rounded.
Being 100% healthy certainly plays a part, but if your learning curve is light years behind others then chances are he would still see many of his fights end like they did against Cain & AO.
JonnyF said:
A 100% Lesnar could take down a big rig on an interstate. Anyone who disagrees is a hater.
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The issue isnt how strong he is at 100%. It is that Lesnar would still get hurt and turtle at 100%.
Being healthy wouldnt somehow make him magically immune to being hit.
JonnyF said:
A 100% Lesnar could take down a big rig on an interstate. Anyone who disagrees is a hater.
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Even if he was fully fit, I'd still favour Cain Velasquez over him, and dos Santos too. Brock had wrestling & athleticism, and that's it.
phoenix-mma said:
The biggest issue for Lesnar was that he was incredibly one dimensional. Once he ran into grapples he couldn't take (or keep) down, it was over.
For wrestlers, both Cain & DC are incredibly well rounded.
Being 100% healthy certainly plays a part, but if your learning curve is light years behind others then chances are he would still see many of his fights end like they did against Cain & AO.
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Part of that, could have been changed in training (provided, of course, he was healthy). This is a guy that did miss a SIGNIFICANT amount of time dedicated for training (which, he desperately needed).
Cain and DC are more well rounded, but they've also had more time in training. DC is what, 15 or 16 fights into his career? Twice that of Lesnars.
I am not saying in the slightest, that Brock would have been some world beater, but we will never know. His MMA career is really one of those things where "what if", could have been so many different things.
Tgilb2007 said:
Part of that, could have been changed in training (provided, of course, he was healthy). This is a guy that did miss a SIGNIFICANT amount of time dedicated for training (which, he desperately needed).
Cain and DC are more well rounded, but they've also had more time in training. DC is what, 15 or 16 fights into his career? Twice that of Lesnars.
I am not saying in the slightest, that Brock would have been some world beater, but we will never know. His MMA career is really one of those things where "what if", could have been so many different things.
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I got the impression of Lesnar that he was content being the biggest, strongest guy in the cage, and that he was going to take you down and pound you out. For the most part, he didn't need to learn anything else. When he was no longer able to bully someone physically, it began to unravel.
I agree with the DC comparison. You look at his fight vs Monson which was his 8th pro fight. His stand up looked impressive. It's only gotten better. But guys like DC, Cain, Hendricks and even Kos that were one dimensional wrestlers when they started mma and have become well rounded and can finish you in the standup. That's what Lesnar lacked.
After looking at Brock Lesnar's wikipedia page, I'm convinced he is the greatest human being to every exist.
- NCAA Division 1 Wrestling Champion
- UFC Heavyweight Champion
- Was the Main Event of the highest selling UFC Pay-per-view of all time
- Played in the NFL
- WWE Champion (Only person in the world to be NCAA, WWE and UFC Champion)
- Only person to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania (I know its scripted, but that is probably the highest honor in Pro Wrestling)
Shawnd1901 said:
i think had he not gotten sick he would have fared much better against Cain but after tlay off then he wasnt the same in the Carwin fight its a shame he didnt start his career earlier no telling just how good he could have been
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I am a huge Lesnar fan but even 100 percent healthy, Cain wins however in his second UFC fight the guy was fighting Frank Mir then Herring then Couture then Mir again...he didnt have the time or did he want to be fed cans like Cain Carwin and DC in order to hone his craft like Cain and DC did..
If Lesnar would have started earlier and went the same directions as those 3 then I think he could have been dominant but the fact is he wanted to and was thrown to the wolves...but again even a 100 percent Lesnar doesn't beat Cain or possibly JDS but his odds increased signifcantly if he had been brought along slowly