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Tito Orcheese said:
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No, not the cats.

Your lack of skills.
 
bconcrete said:
Lmao, ok, sure whatever you say Billy Badass🙄

So if I simply say I'm going to kill you, you're saying you're justified in rolling up to my house and killing me first? Lol, yeah, good luck with that and enjoy the shared cell and biting your pillow nightly. Because even if I have the intent, and I'm more than capable, I have precisely *zero* opportunity, therefore I am not considered a threat under the laws of our country.

The laws matter. The granular nitpicking of the laws matter. You can disagree with it all you want but the Deadly Force Triangle is settled and the standard for military and law enforcement across the country. That's the world *I* live in, and the world *I* came from. These are the rules and laws that help separate us from them. Them, who so love their honor killings and other associated bullshit they justify so similarly to what you just said.

Thats why your stance of "they did shit in the eighties so they deserve it now!" and "we must attack them while they're weak so they don't get strong!" is so irksome. That's jihadi terrorist logic, and last time I checked we were supposed to be better than that.
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So typical. First thing you do is come in with an insult.

I don't think being logical makes me "badass". I do think it helps me to stay alive and I expect the Commander in Chief to operate on similar principles. Iran was a real threat. We all know it.

Nowhere did I say they deserve anything. Pragmatism doesn't care about deserts. Setting up weak straw men is itself weak.
 
Rhino78 said:
Was listening to JRE and the Marc Andreason guy said you can sell your property but no one can make offers unless it includes lot & house value too.
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@Rhino78

I'm a little more than halfway through this episode (it takes me a week of driving time to listen to a full episode). Did you notice all the damn sniffing? Every 8-10 seconds that guy is sniffing like a cokehead with a runny nose. Pretty sure it's a tic of some kind but damn that shit annoys me. I'm driving around sniffing along with him, cocksucker!
 
Pai Mei said:
So typical. First thing you do is come in with an insult.

I don't think being logical makes me "badass". I do think it helps me to stay alive and I expect the Commander in Chief to operate on similar principles. Iran was a real threat. We all know it.

Nowhere did I say they deserve anything. Pragmatism doesn't care about deserts. Setting up weak straw men is itself weak.
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To who?

Are we now suggesting that they were on the cusp of creating nuclear ICBM's capable of hitting the US mainland? Come on man.

Their conventional missiles are capped out at between 1200-2400 miles.

Definitely a danger to the other countries in the Middle East. Were they really an imminent threat to the US to the point where we had to act to this level?
 
osubuckeye4 said:
To who?

Are we now suggesting that they were on the cusp of creating nuclear ICBM's capable of hitting the US mainland? Come on man.

Their conventional missiles are capped out at between 1200-2400 miles.

Definitely a danger to the other countries in the Middle East. Were they really an imminent threat to the US to the point where we had to act to this level?
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I'm pretty sure he's right about their missile range. Will look for the source later today
 
ABB said:
@Rhino78

I'm a little more than halfway through this episode (it takes me a week of driving time to listen to a full episode). Did you notice all the damn sniffing? Every 8-10 seconds that guy is sniffing like a cokehead with a runny nose. Pretty sure it's a tic of some kind but damn that shit annoys me. I'm driving around sniffing along with him, cocksucker!
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YES! I thought cold, I'm pretty sure I can hear "clicking" in his mouth like a cough drop rattling around his teeth.
 
Rhino78 said:
YES! I thought cold, I'm pretty sure I can hear "clicking" in his mouth like a cough drop rattling around his teeth.
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I think it's a verbal tic so to speak. Maybe I'm ticish myself bc I hear that shit and start sniffing too in an effort to confirm I don't have a runny nose. Fuck!
 
osubuckeye4 said:
To who?

Are we now suggesting that they were on the cusp of creating nuclear ICBM's capable of hitting the US mainland? Come on man.

Their conventional missiles are capped out at between 1200-2400 miles.

Definitely a danger to the other countries in the Middle East. Were they really an imminent threat to the US to the point where we had to act to this level?
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Fine, let's play that out. Let's say they start launching nukes at Tel Aviv, Riyadh, New Delhi, or even Berlin. Just because it's not hitting the U.S. mainland does not mean there isn't still a catastrophic global impact that would still be utterly devastating to huge amounts of Americans and our allies. Also, fine, let's say the missiles are capped at between 1200-2400 miles...but that's today. I'm not of a mood to give them another decade or two to continue their bullshit murderous shenanigans until they figure out proper ICBMs. If a backward, impoverished nation like North Korea can do it, despite being an international pariah and subject to a shit ton of U.N. sanctions, there is no reason to believe that Iran couldn't get there. Such an outcome simply could not be tolerated.
 
Brick said:
Fine, let's play that out. Let's say they start launching nukes at Tel Aviv, Riyadh, New Delhi, or even Berlin. Just because it's not hitting the U.S. mainland does not mean there isn't still a catastrophic global impact that would still be utterly devastating to huge amounts of Americans and our allies. Also, fine, let's say the missiles are capped at between 1200-2400 miles...but that's today. I'm not of a mood to give them another decade or two to continue their bullshit murderous shenanigans until they figure out proper ICBMs. If a backward, impoverished nation like North Korea can do it, despite being an international pariah and subject to a shit ton of U.N. sanctions, there is no reason to believe that Iran couldn't get there. Such an outcome simply could not be tolerated.
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Ok, fine, but that's not the argument and I'm sick of that getting conflated into it. So instead of playing out the sandbox a decade in the future, let's reign back in to the here and now.

The words are IMMINENT THREAT. What made them such a threat that we HAD to attack on February 28, 2026? What material difference can you point to that made attacking them then, vs attacking on say February 28th, 2027, more viable and more important to our national security?

No one's arguing that Iran should be allowed to have nukes and ICBMs. No one. The argument is around WHY NOW. And the only thing I'm hearing in response is:

1) phantom nukes no one can prove exist outside of 60% enriched uranium that may or may not be buried under a mountain of rubble
2) they've done bad things and had it coming
3) they might get first strike capability sometime in the next decade.

None of those things point to an imminent threat that we were forced to respond to the way we did and when we did. And on that note, if they ARE such a threat and MUST be dealt with immediately for national security, why aren't there boots on ground securing and dismantling their nuclear capability?
 
bconcrete said:
Ok, fine, but that's not the argument and I'm sick of that getting conflated into it. So instead of playing out the sandbox a decade in the future, let's reign back in to the here and now.

The words are IMMINENT THREAT. What made them such a threat that we HAD to attack on February 28, 2026? What material difference can you point to that made attacking them then, vs attacking on say February 28th, 2027, more viable and more important to our national security?

No one's arguing that Iran should be allowed to have nukes and ICBMs. No one. The argument is around WHY NOW. And the only thing I'm hearing in response is:

1) phantom nukes no one can prove exist outside of 60% enriched uranium that may or may not be buried under a mountain of rubble
2) they've done bad things and had it coming
3) they might get first strike capability sometime in the next decade.

None of those things point to an imminent threat that we were forced to respond to the way we did and when we did. And on that note, if they ARE such a threat and MUST be dealt with immediately for national security, why aren't there boots on ground securing and dismantling their nuclear capability?
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EPSTEIN FILES BRO.
 
Brick said:
Fine, let's play that out. Let's say they start launching nukes at Tel Aviv, Riyadh, New Delhi, or even Berlin. Just because it's not hitting the U.S. mainland does not mean there isn't still a catastrophic global impact that would still be utterly devastating to huge amounts of Americans and our allies. Also, fine, let's say the missiles are capped at between 1200-2400 miles...but that's today. I'm not of a mood to give them another decade or two to continue their bullshit murderous shenanigans until they figure out proper ICBMs. If a backward, impoverished nation like North Korea can do it, despite being an international pariah and subject to a shit ton of U.N. sanctions, there is no reason to believe that Iran couldn't get there. Such an outcome simply could not be tolerated.
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How are they launching nukes when their nuclear capabilities were OBLITERATED (any suggestion otherwise is fake news) less than a year ago?
 
Brick said:
Now you've got it.
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Fair enough... and as I do say to my MAGA buddies whenever this stuff comes up: "Don't mind my bitching... whatever the end result is, it's almost certainly going to be better than the disaster that President Kamala would have been"

It's not like we had the choice between steak or shit and chose shit.

It was shit or an even bigger pile of shit. It is what it is.
 
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