Poll: Eddie Alvarez' Situation-Who's the Bad Guy?
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Alvarez signed his original contract. He is required to fulfill it. He did NOT. Bellator was given the opportunity to match the UFC's offer, and they DID. There is no guarantee that Alvarez would ever make it to a PPV card. At this point in his career, he is a Fuel TV-level fighter at best. What does Bellator gain by letting him go? Absolutely nothing. Even if Alvarez wins this case, Bellator can sue the UFC for MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES!!
madictionary said:
Alvarez signed his original contract. He is required to fulfill it. He did NOT. Bellator was given the opportunity to match the UFC's offer, and they DID. There is no guarantee that Alvarez would ever make it to a PPV card. At this point in his career, he is a Fuel TV-level fighter at best. What does Bellator gain by letting him go? Absolutely nothing. Even if Alvarez wins this case, Bellator can sue the UFC for MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES!!
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Eddie spilled the beans on the MMAhour this week, Bellator reworked his contract following the free agent/matching period release, that Bellator only had to match material compensation (fight + win bonus, nothing else). They wouldn't have to match any PPV buy bonus or potential FOTN, SOTN, or KOTN bonuses.
madictionary said:
Alvarez signed his original contract. He is required to fulfill it. He did NOT. Bellator was given the opportunity to match the UFC's offer, and they DID.
There is no guarantee that Alvarez would ever make it to a PPV card
. At this point in his career, he is a Fuel TV-level fighter at best. What does Bellator gain by letting him go? Absolutely nothing. Even if Alvarez wins this case, Bellator can sue the UFC for MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES!!
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Look it i'll make this simple, this is from a person who knows all about this s--- (I wish I didn't but I do because I really am sick of talking about it )
in his contract he was guaranteed a PPV% yes ?
which means he has to fight on a PPV even just once to honor that part of the contract, if that expectation is not met the contract is void which Eddie then can sue ZUFFA,
In simpler terms your thinking your getting a Rolex but in fact your getting a shitty knock off once you agree to the deal
MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES ? Seriously, ?
Posted this yesterday, probably fits better here than where I originally put it:
abc0331 said:
Alvarez is different because unlike most Bellator fighters, Eddie actually had a name before he signed with the company. Bellator really did not do too much to make him a name because his status has largely remained the same since his fighting days in Japan. So while with most fighters I'd say Bellator is well within their rights to protect their product, and fighters who make up their product, Bellator Execs. can't claim Eddie as one of those since it was kind of obvious from the beginning that Alvarez was trying to leap frog his position to the UFC.
And these contract battles always, always make the organization look bad, not the fighter. The best thing Bellator could do at this point is let Alvarez go because it will only serve to hurt their reputation and fighting for an athlete that does not even currently hold the title seems a bit petty.
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Like I said, the contract disputes in the end always makes the organization look bad, even if they are right.
madictionary said:
Alvarez signed his original contract. He is required to fulfill it. He did NOT. Bellator was given the opportunity to match the UFC's offer, and they DID. There is no guarantee that Alvarez would ever make it to a PPV card. At this point in his career, he is a Fuel TV-level fighter at best. What does Bellator gain by letting him go? Absolutely nothing. Even if Alvarez wins this case, Bellator can sue the UFC for MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES!!
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That is not how it works. And the kind of money Eddie is getting offered, it is obvious the UFC has more plans for him than just a Fuel card.
Ok, let's say that the Eddie and the Evil Empire of the UFC get their way. Now all the top fighters in the smaller organizations will want to follow suit. The UFC will have EVEN MORE of an advantage than they will already have. And the smaller organizations will have less influence in the industry than they already have.
Is this good for the sport as a whole? To have the UFC fighters being paid well, but the other organizations are barely able to survive? Sure, Eddie is gonna have himself a nice Thanksgiving next year. But even many of HIS OWN TEAMMMATES will suffer during their stay at the smaller organizations.
TV companies, advertisers will want nothing to do with a business that can be bullied AT WILL!!!
madictionary said:
Ok, let's say that the Eddie and the Evil Empire of the UFC get their way. Now all the top fighters in the smaller organizations will want to follow suit. The UFC will have EVEN MORE of an advantage than they will already have. And the smaller organizations will have less influence in the industry than they already have.
Is this good for the sport as a whole? To have the UFC fighters being paid well, but the other organizations are barely able to survive? Sure, Eddie is gonna have himself a nice Thanksgiving next year. But even many of HIS OWN TEAMMMATES will suffer during their stay at the smaller organizations.
TV companies, advertisers will want nothing to do with a business that can be bullied AT WILL!!!
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Bro you do know the FTC did look into them after the Culinary Union reported ZUFFA over the sale of SF and their findings was the complete opposite to what you say i'm sorry i'd rather trust factual findings than ongoing speculation.
C-Me-No-More said:
Bro you do know the FTC did look into them after the Culinary Union reported ZUFFA over the sale of SF and their findings was the complete opposite to what you say i'm sorry i'd rather trust factual findings than ongoing speculation.
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Ok, so the members of the Zuffa Mob paid off the FTC investigators, big surprise. Is it speculation to say that 5 or so years ago there was Pride, WEC, Strikeforce, Elite XC, etc. And now those companies no longer exist? Is it speculation to say that most Cage Warriors, Bellator, and WSOF fighters receive less pay than the Pride, etc. guys used to make? The playing field is not leveling; it is getting worse. If that's not a monopoly, then I don't know what is.
madictionary said:
Ok, so the members of the Zuffa Mob paid off the FTC investigators,
big surprise. Is it speculation to say that 5 or so years ago there was Pride, WEC, Strikeforce, Elite XC, etc. And now those companies no longer exist? Is it speculation to say that most Cage Warriors, Bellator, and WSOF fighters receive less pay than the Pride, etc. guys used to make? The playing field is not leveling; it is getting worse. If that's not a monopoly, then I don't know what is.
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And that's speculation, and Believe it or not you could be sued by the FTC and ZUFFA for slander
I listen to facts and facts ALONE
so if you got sources for that fire away if not i'm not listening
madictionary said:
Ok, let's say that the Eddie and the Evil Empire of the UFC get their way. Now all the top fighters in the smaller organizations will want to follow suit. The UFC will have EVEN MORE of an advantage than they will already have. And the smaller organizations will have less influence in the industry than they already have.
Is this good for the sport as a whole? To have the UFC fighters being paid well, but the other organizations are barely able to survive? Sure, Eddie is gonna have himself a nice Thanksgiving next year. But even many of HIS OWN TEAMMMATES will suffer during their stay at the smaller organizations.
TV companies, advertisers will want nothing to do with a business that can be bullied AT WILL!!!
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The only way the smaller org will keep big talent is if UFC starts to do cross promotions. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. The UFC has 99% of the best talent in MMA, Bellator has .5% and OneFc has .5%. This is not including WMMA. All the big names will want to go to UFC, other then a few that have gone to OneFC to stay in Asia, and they are getting paid at lest or more then what the UFC would offer them anyway. One thing I think this will teach fighters is when they sign with any org, they will look at how long the matching period is and just wait that time out, other then entertaining offers from different org.
Ok I forgot, don't question the Authority. Be Dumb Sheep! If you guys all feel this way, then just close up all the f---ing lower organizations. And have Joe Silva rely on underground youtube videos for the next generation of MMA talent. And have MMA teams where the UFC fighters pay all the bills, and the lesser fighters sleep on the floor at the gym!
This would encourage athletes who could otherwise make it in Boxing, Pro Wrestling, etc. to try MMA instead...
madictionary said:
Ok I forgot, don't question the Authority. Be Dumb Sheep! If you guys all feel this way, then just close up all the f---ing lower organizations. And have Joe Silva rely on underground youtube videos for the next generation of MMA talent. And have MMA teams where the UFC fighters pay all the bills, and the lesser fighters sleep on the floor at the gym!
This would encourage athletes who could otherwise make it in Boxing, Pro Wrestling, etc. to try MMA instead...
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Do you know how many regional box org, pro wrestling org there are? Thousands, maybe ten of thousands. But everyone want to make it to the big show, there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can make it rich in a combat sport, and it has always been that way. It is no different in the other major sport. Boxing is different, they cross promote, so fighters make more, and there are bigger shows, when they finally make it to the big show. But there are still many, many small org out there you never hear about. Boxers on ESPN do not make a lot of money. I would say less then a first time fighter for Bellator does. That is why IMO MMA will remain this way until it start to cross promote. We have seen this a Little with M1, Bellator, Dream... But it will take the UFC to start for the other org to hold onto top talent.