Shogun has looked like crap in 2 out of his 3 UFC fights, and Machida has looked.....well flawless. Shogun needs to look 3 times better than he did in Pride to avoid serious a$$ raping at the hands of Lyoto.
I gotta say Machida, I think he is too strong and too smart from every area. I really think you have to pull crazy submission or just get him in the clinch and try to brawl with him and hope you land a clean power shot. Or maybe Rua will want to get in a kicking match with him.
I've got Shogun on this one. IMO, Shogun has got a better BJJ game but I do think that his stand-up game is more sloppy compared to Machida's crisp stand-up technique. This fight will be decided on the ground, I just hope Shogun brings his spare gas tank because he is going to need it. I see Shogun grinding out a submission on the ground where most of this fight is going to take place.
Shogun IMO is better then Machida at all aspects of MMA but Machida being elusive and moving around makes his skills better also. I think Shogun will take Machida and be the champ.
Well, I gotta admit, Machida should be the favorite, overall because Shogun hasnt ever fought someone like machida, the hit and run thing it's prove to be pretty effective, also machida has proven to be a pretty hard puncher, But the Defense that shogun showed against chuck, along with his footwork was just supreme. Not to mention shogun must have one of the better chins in all MMA, the dude has been eating punches like crazy from the beggining of his carrer, PRIDE shogun would've stand and trade with anyone, and he wasnt dodging any strikes, though most of the times he would've get the best of the exchange...and he stood with some pretty big hitters. If shogun's cardio is 100%, I see a probably 2 rounds tko for him... Of course it could turn out to be like most of machida's latest fight... run run run, pum pum, fight it's over.
I went with Machida but I do think Shogun has a better chance of winning than Rampage would have. We saw what kicks did to him in the Forrest fight. If Shogun comes in the same shape as he did against Liddell we could have a very good fight on our hands.
bjj_rage said:
Well, I gotta admit, Machida should be the favorite, overall because Shogun hasnt ever fought someone like machida, the hit and run thing it's prove to be pretty effective, also machida has proven to be a pretty hard puncher, But the Defense that shogun showed against chuck, along with his footwork was just supreme. Not to mention shogun must have one of the better chins in all MMA, the dude has been eating punches like crazy from the beggining of his carrer, PRIDE shogun would've stand and trade with anyone, and he wasnt dodging any strikes, though most of the times he would've get the best of the exchange...and he stood with some pretty big hitters. If shogun's cardio is 100%, I see a probably 2 rounds tko for him... Of course it could turn out to be like most of machida's latest fight... run run run, pum pum, fight it's over.
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I think using the term "run" when referring to Machida is completely off base and out dated. Machida was the aggressor that whole fight, Machida was moving forward, Machida threw and landed almost all of the strikes in that fight. Rashad was almost always on the retreat. Machida is patient for sure, and not at all reckless but he certainly doesn't run. Time to think of a more accurate word when referring to Machida's style of fighting because "run" isn't cutting it.
I love Shogun, he's one of my all time favorites. But, I think even if he looks the best we've seen in the UFC, he will have a hard time with Machida. I have to go with Machida right now just because of his style and the way Shogun's style could play into it. But, I still think it could be an epic freakin' fight.
no doubt, shogun and machida are the best 205 pounders in the world. who will first make mistake, he will lose.
if it happens, i think its the biggest MMA fight ever.
Sedulous said:
I think using the term "run" when referring to Machida is completely off base and out dated. Machida was the aggressor that whole fight, Machida was moving forward, Machida threw and landed almost all of the strikes in that fight. Rashad was almost always on the retreat. Machida is patient for sure, and not at all reckless but he certainly doesn't run. Time to think of a more accurate word when referring to Machida's style of fighting because "run" isn't cutting it.
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Exactly; I watched the entire fight start-to-finish again last night and this struck me from the start -- Machida moving forward, Rashad backing off. The "Machida runs away" cliche is not only played out, but quite inaccurate.
Is it safe to say Shogun has the better kicks of the two. If so he owns the range and Machida will have to come in close and that is where the clintch or the take down can happen. The only thing that worries me is that Machida is a larger 205.
October will be my early X-mas specially if Shogun wins Im calling it Shogun by KO in the 3rd.
I'm going with Machida, Shogun will not be able to catch him like everyone else so far.
LOL @ everyone who is calling Shogun via KO. His only shot in this fight is to get Machida down and hope for a submission....................
If Shogun wins this fight, he will put the LHW division back on the map as being one of the most stacked.
If Machida wins, he will make the division look like it was never really stacked to begin with.
I wonder who Dana is routing for on this one :lol:
I still think people are overrating Shogun right now. Still hasn't looked close to what he used to. He doesn't have the quickness to keep up with Lyoto. The punch he knocked Liddell out with was far from impressive.
I'm taking Machida, every time he connects he drops his opponent, and he always connects.
