Question about race (biology)

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Suppose I have a child with a white woman
(1/2 white 1/2 black)
and my child marries a 1/2 white and black person. Is it possible for my grand kids to come out looking like Rich Franklin and Jay Herion?
I know this question sounds like I'm trying to be funny but I'm being serious. Could I have a prodominately white
and
a predominately black grand child?
Again. . . . . I know this sounds funny
(especially coming from me)
but serious and semi-serious anwsers only, please.
Thank you.
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[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shaunissey
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:42 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

I would assume that it would depend on which genes are recessive, and which are dominant. Typically, it seems that features commonly associated with caucasians are recessive, such as colored eyes, and light hair. That being said, if you had children with a white women, and then those children had children with white partners, I would assume that more than likely, the recessive genes would be more common, however, without proper testing, there really is no way to be certain. To answer your question, in a round about way, I think that you potentially could have both light skinned, more caucasian looking grandchildren, as well as grandchildren with predominantly black features.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ArcArsenal
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

how sick would it be if your grandkids came out looking like Thiago Alves? They would be so hot, I would totally do them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RawckOn
Date: December 13, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

ArcArsenal said:
how sick would it be if your grandkids came out looking like Thiago Alves? They would be so hot, I would totally do them.
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I wouldnt do them. But if i was a chick, i would totally do them!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shaunissey said:
I would assume that it would depend on which genes are recessive, and which are dominant. Typically, it seems that features commonly associated with caucasians are recessive, such as colored eyes, and light hair. That being said, if you had children with a white women, and then those children had children with white partners, I would assume that more than likely, the recessive genes would be more common, however, without proper testing, there really is no way to be certain. To answer your question, in a round about way, I think that you potentially could have both light skinned, more caucasian looking grandchildren, as well as grandchildren with predominantly black features.
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Nice breakdown. Thank you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shaunissey
Date: December 13, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shock-G said:
Shaunissey said:
I would assume that it would depend on which genes are recessive, and which are dominant. Typically, it seems that features commonly associated with caucasians are recessive, such as colored eyes, and light hair. That being said, if you had children with a white women, and then those children had children with white partners, I would assume that more than likely, the recessive genes would be more common, however, without proper testing, there really is no way to be certain. To answer your question, in a round about way, I think that you potentially could have both light skinned, more caucasian looking grandchildren, as well as grandchildren with predominantly black features.
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Nice breakdown. Thank you.
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I am no biologist, that is for sure. However, from what I remember of biology class, this is essentially the process behind features in general.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shaunissey
,
You're a pretty smart cat, let me ask you another question.
If a Korean person is born in Brazil is she considered a Brazilian or Korean? In other words, my sister was born in Spain but she's not considered Spanish.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shaunissey
Date: December 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shock-G said:
Shaunissey
,
You're a pretty smart cat, let me ask you another question.
If a Korean person is born in Brazil is she considered a Brazilian or Korean? In other words, my sister was born in Spain but she's not considered Spanish.
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I would assume this is dependent on social norms and whom your sister identifies with as her culture. For instance, in America, we view whites and blacks as the two primary american races. However, we tend to leave out other races, even if a person was born here. Asians are a good example, because even asians that are born and raised are addressed as Asian the majority of the time, whereas blacks are African-American. People in general are bigots, and we have a hard time accepting things that are not familiar. Personally, I think that you are whatever culture you were born into, and I don't agree with titles like Asian-American, African-American, Brazilian-Korean, or any other hyphens. As far as I am concerned, if you are black in America, you are just as American as I. So what right do I have to marginalize you? It seems small, but a lot of these subtle things go a long way in continuing the cultural rifts we experience in societies on a global level. To answer your question(hopefully in a manner that is not too roundabout), Brazil, from what I understand, is a much more accepting culture, and a lot of latin cultures are. Brazil is especially open to people of asian ancestry, considering the large population of Japanese immigrants and JJ that was brought over from Japan. It really depends on if people in Brazil identify with the same prejudices that are within Asian communities(which apparently put Korean's somewhere near the bottom of the list) or if they shun those stereotypes. If the answer is that latter, then I am sure that a Brazilian of Korean descent would have no problem identifying as a Brazilian.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

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"People in general are bigots, and we have a hard time accepting things that are not familiar."
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Ain't that the truth.
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"I think that you are whatever culture you were born into, and I don't agree with titles like Asian-American, African-American, Brazilian-Korean, or any other hyphens. As far as I am concerned, if you are black in America, you are just as American as I."
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Agreed!
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"It really depends on if people in Brazil identify with the same prejudices that are within Asian communities
(which apparently put Korean's somewhere near the bottom of the list)
or if they shun those stereotypes. If the answer is that latter, then I am sure that a Brazilian of Korean descent would have no problem identifying as a Brazilian."
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You did it again.. nice break down.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: squib
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shaunissey said:
I would assume that it would depend on which genes are recessive, and which are dominant.
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there's definitely that. there are also characteristics passed along through the mother's side only ,or father's side only, so it also depends on which parent has which features, in the case of some characteristics.
there's a couple of other means of passing on genes, but alas, I studied that 21 years ago and somehow, the details escape me.
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wrt the Brazilian born in Spain question.
I was speaking with a friend of mine in the diplomatic corps (travels a lot), and he was saying that the ethnically~based nation state is an artificial one, as people have traditionally mixed in cities and throughout regions.
The Americas, Africa and Oceania are different from Europe and Asia in that the rate of colonization fell upon them at such a fast pace that the inhabitants are still trying to sort it all out. The waves of immigration since the first settlers found Hispaniola have brought people from all over the world to the Americas. it's a real mixed bag.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

The Americas, Africa and Oceania are different from Europe and Asia in that the rate of colonization fell upon them at such a fast pace that the inhabitants are still trying to sort it all out. The waves of immigration since the first settlers found Hispaniola have brought people from all over the world to the Americas. it's a real mixed bag.
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My sister is African-American
(I hate that term)
but born in Spain and now lives in America. If she stayed in Spain would she be considered Spanish?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Seawall
Date: December 13, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shock-G said:
The Americas, Africa and Oceania are different from Europe and Asia in that the rate of colonization fell upon them at such a fast pace that the inhabitants are still trying to sort it all out. The waves of immigration since the first settlers found Hispaniola have brought people from all over the world to the Americas. it's a real mixed bag.
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My sister is African-American
(I hate that term)
but born in Spain and now lives in America. If she stayed in Spain would she be considered Spanish?
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African-Spanish? Do other countries even do the hyphen nonsense?
What aboot countries with a similar culture to the US (ie, Canada)? Are there African-Canadians?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Archean_Life
Date: December 13, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

I think they might look like this:
Seriously though - Shaunissey's answer is pretty good. You can also make a Punnett square to get a rough idea. In some cases the dominant allele will control the trait completely (like eye color), in other cases (like with skin color) you get an intermediate expression for pigmentation (an intermediate skin tone).
Here are some Punnett Squares I made. I think they're right - it's been a while since I've made them. In this example, B is an allele for heavy pigmentation (dark skin) and B' for less pigmentation. So BB are the two alleles contributed from the black parent and B'B' from the white parent. If I did this correctly, the second generation of offspring in your hypothetical example would have a 1/4 chance of having dark skin (B'B'), a 1/4 chance of having light skin (B'B'), and a 1/2 chance of having an intermediate skin tone (BB'). Its not quite this simple though because skin color is controlled by a half dozen genes - so you'd have to make six of these squares.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: December 13, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Seawall said:
Shock-G said:
The Americas, Africa and Oceania are different from Europe and Asia in that the rate of colonization fell upon them at such a fast pace that the inhabitants are still trying to sort it all out. The waves of immigration since the first settlers found Hispaniola have brought people from all over the world to the Americas. it's a real mixed bag.
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My sister is African-American
(I hate that term)
but born in Spain and now lives in America. If she stayed in Spain would she be considered Spanish?
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African-Spanish? Do other countries even do the hyphen nonsense?
What aboot countries with a similar culture to the US (ie, Canada)? Are there African-Canadians?
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We don't use that expression here. Also, the blacks in Canada are predominantly from the Carribean, especially those in Toronto. That's why I know how to speak in patois and to bogle, and you don't.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 02:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

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"If I did this correctly, the second generation of offspring in your hypothetical example would have a 1/4 chance of having dark skin (B'B'), a 1/4 chance of having light skin (B'B'), and a 1/2 chance of having an intermediate skin tone (BB'). Its not quite this simple though because skin color is controlled by a half dozen genes - so you'd have to make six of these squares."
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Droppin' the knowledge bomb.
Thank you.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 02:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

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patois and to bogle
..........?
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I feel dumb for asking but can you explain..

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Andre3000
Date: December 13, 2008 at 02:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Shock-G said:
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patois and to bogle
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I feel dumb for asking but can you explain..
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Patois is a Jamaican dialect. If you listen to dance hall at all, you've heard it. Beenie Man, Buju Banton, Shabba Ranks, those are all guys I'm sure who are known in the States... they sing in patois, but it is also the way many Jamaicans speak.
Bogling is a form of dance you do to dance hall music. You kind of make two gun hands, hold them at your side and do a little windy-wind.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

Andre3000 said:
Shock-G said:
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patois and to bogle
..........?
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I feel dumb for asking but can you explain..
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Patois is a Jamaican dialect. If you listen to dance hall at all, you've heard it. Beenie Man, Buju Banton, Shabba Ranks, those are all guys I'm sure who are known in the States... they sing in patois, but it is also the way many Jamaicans speak.
Bogling is a form of dance you do to dance hall music. You kind of make two gun hands, hold them at your side and do a little windy-wind.
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Gotcha'
I'm glad I made this thread I'm learning some cool stuff.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ulloa4h
Date: December 13, 2008 at 05:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

I have another question regarding this topic. Why (90% of the time) does a half black/white male usually end up with a white wife, and a half black/white female usually end up with a black husband. I know there are exceptions to this, but for the most part, I have found this to be true...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Shock-G
Date: December 13, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/question-about-race-biology.8213/

ulloa4h said:
I have another question regarding this topic. Why (90% of the time) does a half black/white male usually end up with a white wife, and
a half black/white female usually end up with a black husband.
I know there are exceptions to this, but for the most part, I have found this to be true...
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I find half black/white women incredibly sexy (Alicia Keys, Halley Barry, Mariah). I completely eliminate pure black woman from consideration. *no diss to my man
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