Originally posted by: Meanwhitebread Date: March 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/rampage-the-man-to-defeat-jones.36893/
I keep seeing these guys mentioned to defeat Jones...
Forrest - has the size but not the quickness or strength to do anything to Jones
Machida - A counterstriker with no reach will have nothing for Jones... not to mention he isn't known for his strength
Couture - meh utter destruction
Evans - A good wrestler who has trained with Jones, but again I think the reach and strength advantage for Jones is too much.
THE ANSWER IS RAMPAGE
I do not see anyone at 205 being able to ragdoll Rampage. I believe the strength of page and experience could favor him in this fight
After what I saw last night, I'm not convinced anyone will be able to touch him.
It'll take months of Dana/Joe Rogan saying how good Rampage's chances are and then I'd have to see Rampage actually land a clean strike before I'd start believing it.
Page is slow and plodding, his TDD isn't bad but it isn't great but the biggest problem he'd have is that he is absolutely horrible off his back. Once Jones got him down - and he would - Rampage would not be able to get back up. Eventually he'd get caught with those elbows.
Styles make fights and Imo Machida has to tools in his toolbox to match Jones. I don't know if he'd win but his counter striking with his head WAY back style is perfect for negating Jones' reach. The way to beat Machida is to get inside (like Shogun did in the 2nd fight) by doing this Jones would give up his reach advantage and Jones doesn't have the power inside the Shogun has. Machida also has some of the best - if not THE best - TDD at LHW. I'm not sure Jones could get him down and I'd take Machida in a pure striking fight.
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Every time a new guy comes in and wins the strap everybody talks about how unbeatable he is. Then someone comes in and beats the champ and HE'S now unbeatable - and the cycle continues. None of these guys are unbeatable, particularly with those 4 oz. gloves.
If Jones and Machida fought I'd put money on Jones if forced to but I still think Machida stylistically matches up with him the best.
MDH said:
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Every time a new guy comes in and wins the strap everybody talks about how unbeatable he is. Then someone comes in and beats the champ and HE'S now unbeatable - and the cycle continues. None of these guys are unbeatable, particularly with those 4 oz. gloves.
If Jones and Machida fought I'd put money on Jones if forced to but I still think Machida stylistically matches up with him the best.
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Who said he was unbeatable? I didn't say he was unbeatable. I said the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now. Sure as hell don't think Machida has much of a chance.
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Well said Sedulous.
durtieb0xer said:
whatdupdoh said:
Phil Davis
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This ^^^
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explain why Davis has a chance cause frankly I dont think he can
Meanwhitebread said:
I keep seeing these guys mentioned to defeat Jones...
Forrest - has the size but not the quickness or strength to do anything to Jones
Machida - A counterstriker with no reach will have nothing for Jones... not to mention he isn't known for his strength
Couture - meh utter destruction
Evans - A good wrestler who has trained with Jones, but again I think the reach and strength advantage for Jones is too much.
THE ANSWER IS RAMPAGE
I do not see anyone at 205 being able to ragdoll Rampage. I believe the strength of page and experience could favor him in this fight
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Rampage is 1 deminsional with knock out power. Unfortunately he is too slow and not as athletic as Jones. This wouldnt be a good fight for Rampage. He would get destroyed.
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Ideally, the person to beat Jones is in the HW division.
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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I think Machida could defend a few take downs but everything else is spot on. Eventually he is getting put on his back and Jones is going to start dropping bombs. If Rua couldn't escape from bottom position pretty much no one will. Standing I don't think he comes close to landing anything with the reach disadvantage and how. Winklejohn has Jones' striking improving at an incredible pace.
The only way I see Jones getting in trouble is if he misses one of those spinning elbows and Machida gets a body lock and drags him down.
The only one I could think of is Rampage as well... Been saying that for a while...Maybe Velasquez if he goes down.
If Rashad can get Bones down in the 1st and land a BIG punch via ground and pound? Could be trouble.
But after carefully thinking about this the answer is......
ANDERSON SILVA
no question about that....
Bones is Lebron James, Anderson is MJ and we have a chance to see them both fight while both are in their prime. Make it happen after GSP/Silva.
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Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Ideally, the person to beat Jones is in the HW division.
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who is that? Cain? Overeem? JDS?
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty Date: March 20, 2011 at 03:19 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/rampage-the-man-to-defeat-jones.36893/
Sedulous said:
MDH said:
Sedulous said:
Those of you saying that Machida could beat him are delusional. Machida wouldn't come close to landing anything. He'd have over a 1ft reach disadvantage and while Machida has displayed good TDD in the past, I don't think he'd have a prayer of defending against Jones's TDs or his top game. Keep dreaming, the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now.
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Every time a new guy comes in and wins the strap everybody talks about how unbeatable he is. Then someone comes in and beats the champ and HE'S now unbeatable - and the cycle continues. None of these guys are unbeatable, particularly with those 4 oz. gloves.
If Jones and Machida fought I'd put money on Jones if forced to but I still think Machida stylistically matches up with him the best.
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Who said he was unbeatable? I didn't say he was unbeatable. I said the guy to defeat Jones isn't in the UFC right now. Sure as hell don't think Machida has much of a chance.
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Who outside the UFC do you think could beat Jones in the Light Heavyweight Division?
