Randy Couture not a legend.....

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Diamondback2
Date: September 01, 2009 at 06:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

Hey everyone, I am debating wiht my cousin's husband his view on Couture:
His recent Facebook post we have been debating:
Initial Post:
"how do you get to be a "legend" with a record of 16-10"
my response:
"16-10 against the top fighters in the world every fight. And the guy is the king of winning fights he's supposed to lose. He's beat Tito, Chuck. Sylvia, Belfort, and more. He's beat guys whom hold a total of 23 UFC titles, I'm pretty sure no one else can claim the same. Randy's record is deceiving."
"And not to forget every fighter Randy has lost to since 2002 has been a UFC Champion at some point. No one else has fought top compition like Randy for 7 yrs in a row as far as I know."
his response:
"but he's 6-7 in his last 13 fights over 7 years as MMA is evolving. He's a dinosaur whos not making the transition"
my response: "
Again you have to look at whom he's fighting tho. 2 of those losses were to Chuck before anyone could figure out how to beat him in his prime. One was to Belfort by a cut due to a faulty glove. He lost to Nog on Saturday whom is considered a top 3 Heavyweight of all time. All the rest were to guys 50+ lbs heavier than him. That's like Mike Brown fighting Anderson Silva. Or GSP fighting at 205.
It's not that he's beat everyone, he fights the fights designed for him to lose, and wins or gives them a hell of a fight. He fights nothing but top-flite comp. "
his response:
"so...if you fight good people but lose alot, you're considered a legend based on your competition, not the wins? thats retarded"
just so there is no confusion, I think Randy is one of the top fighters of all time, but my cousin's hubby is a self-proclaimed MMA expert that started watching it only 3-4 yrs ago IIRC.
So please fellow junkies help me show him the error of his way...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: keystone
Date: September 01, 2009 at 06:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

tell him to get a username on the junkie. Im sure some of us could educate him

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Diamondback2
Date: September 01, 2009 at 06:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

i was just going to put a nice fat link to this thread once everyone here is done telling him how wrong he is.
i cannot see any way randy is not a legend....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: buckhunter620
Date: September 01, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

Couture is a badass. He is a genetic freak. Any 46 year old that has the conditioning and the heart that he does has got to be a legend. Randy has never had a real easy fight. He fights champions every time. He hasn't had many fights where he wasn't the underdog. The guy is old as dirt and he is still competing against top notch competition.
Oh yeah and he has held the belt in 2 different weight classes.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TeeJeigh
Date: September 01, 2009 at 06:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

He is a 3 time heavyweight champ and 2 time light heavyweight champ. This exceeds by far the belt-based accomplishments of anyone in UFC history (or Pride or anywhere else). He has beaten 5 champions in two different weight classes and taken their belts. This is not even to mention that he more or less invented ground and pound and the kind of strategy/planning that goes into the current sport. He is still one of the best p4p fighters in the sport in his mid-40s, and is perhaps the only fighter to make the transition from the early days of the UFC to the current UFC successfully. He's a pioneer, a hall of famer, an all-time great, a legend. Your cousin's husband is a fool.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: September 01, 2009 at 08:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

16-10 happens when you fight in 2 weight classes and almost every fight is against the top fighters. If you look at the top P4P fighters they haven't been fighting the best fighters, Gsp - Serra/Hughes/Kos, Silva - Leites/Cote/Griffin/Irvin, Machida - Soko/Heath/Ortiz. Fedor - HMC/Lindland/Coleman. Non of these are top opponents.
Couture, whether has losses because he doesn't have the padded stats of other fighters. If you look at the 16-10 record alone than you're not really looking at the fighter. Does he have losses? yeah, but look at Hendo, he's a legend, and he continually fights the best of the best('cept Bisping
) and he gets losses, Penn, he beats every decent fighter he faces, but has losses when he steps up in competition. Couture never fights anything less than the best the UFC has to offer him, Sylvia was the champ, GG beat the guy he was supposed to face, he fought Lesnar, he fought Nog....
No easy fights for Couture.... thus he is a legend, not to mention that he took Lesnar down, wouldn't get submitted by Nog, beatdown Sylvia for those 5 rounds, beat Liddell and Ortiz when both were champs...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Marauder
Date: September 01, 2009 at 08:21 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

Diamondback2 said:
my response: "
Again you have to look at whom he's fighting tho. 2 of those losses were to Chuck before anyone could figure out how to beat him in his prime.
One was to Belfort by a cut due to a faulty glove.
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Faulty glove? HAHA!
One of the craziest excuses I've ever heard. Randy got cut on the EYELID. Nothing else. Dangerous cut, fight stopped. End of story.
Straighten that part of before making your case sir.
And yes, Randy is a legend! He's fought top comp for years now and always pulls through or makes a triumphant effort in doing so. He's 46 with a body better than I had at my prime. He's Captain America. Nuff said.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Panther78
Date: September 01, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

He's awesome plain and simple.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MikeyR
Date: September 01, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

You are a legend because no one will forget you for what you have accomplished. No one, including your cousin, will ever forget Randy Couture.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: SheerTerror
Date: September 01, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

so who does he consider a legend?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ikisaac78
Date: September 01, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

This is the most absurd statement I have read here.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: September 01, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

His legend status is due to his age and being a good ambassador for the sport. If he was 24 when he started and 36 now, he'd be in the same category as Keith Jardine, but he's 46. He was never a great champion like Hughes, Chuck, or AS, but he has beat a lot of big names.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: IAMTRUEST
Date: September 01, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

like was stated earlier, you cant really look at coutures record when trying to evaluate his impact on MMA...Hes a class act, wins and loses with dignity, puts on a show for the fans, and is just an all around good guy n true ambassador for the sport....and he still could knock off a couple of fighters hes not supposed to beat(Silva, Machida, LESNAR) those are 3 fights im hoping couture gets a crack at, especially a Lesnar rematch because i truly believe thats a loss he can avenge

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: September 01, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

he is and will be a legend, for what he represents to the sport, for what he achived at 40 plus, hes a great example to any kid wanting to come to the sport, bad sadly, your cousing is right some how, while is true that he fights and fought only top competition, the best fighters fight the best and beat the best, Randy cant say that, he is a great example like I said, but sadly, in terms of good fighter, hes average.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: k00ey
Date: September 02, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

The ONLY 5-time UFC champion
.
one of only two ufc fighters to ever claim a belt in two different weight classes
. Wins UFC heavyweight tournament on his pro debut.
has wins over notables such as maurice smith, belfort, jeremy horn, randleman, pedro rizzo, tito, lidell, sylvia, and gonzaga. he's fought the whos who through out MMA history, and won, even with his age.
is your cousin's husband really going to question this more?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Edosama
Date: September 02, 2009 at 02:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

because he's really really old..
fighting at 46, at a really high level, it's unheard of.... in MMA

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Boxer82
Date: September 02, 2009 at 06:54 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

Legend Status based on:
His age and ability to compete with people 20 years younger than him
5 time champ
Wins over a list of whose who in the UfC
and tell your moronic friend that his careers not over yet....Randys record could easily be 22-10 when he retires....wait until he takes out some more UFC studs

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: September 02, 2009 at 08:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

buckhunter620 said:
Couture is a badass. He is a genetic freak. Any 46 year old that has the conditioning and the heart that he does has got to be a legend. Randy has never had a real easy fight. He fights champions every time. He hasn't had many fights where he wasn't the underdog. The guy is old as dirt and he is still competing against top notch competition.
Oh yeah and he has held the belt in 2 different weight classes.
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I remember watching a special or something where they were checking levels of lactic acid buildup in the muscles from working out. They had Randy on there, and somehow his body is able to quickly remove the lactic acid out of his muscles before it builds up.
Long story short, he very well may be a genetic freak.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: snakerattle79
Date: September 02, 2009 at 09:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

I think he's a legend but his record isnt really hall of fame numbers

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MDH
Date: September 02, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/randy-couture-not-a-legend.17215/

k00ey said:
The ONLY 5-time UFC champion
.
one of only two ufc fighters to ever claim a belt in two different weight classes
. Wins UFC heavyweight tournament on his pro debut.
Click to expand...
To be fair, in order to be the 5 time champ you have to keep losing your title. Anderson Silva isn't a 5 time champ, he's a 1 time champ but he's defended his belt 5 times and never lost it. Randy, in his 5 times as champ only defended his belts 3 times and lost it in the ring 4 times.
Randy is obviously a great fighter - one of the all time greats - but he's the only guy I can think of who continuously gets title shots even coming off losses whereas most guys have to earn their next title shot by stringing together wins. The UFC's decisions to keep giving him shots instead of making him earn them like everybody else enabled him to be the 5 time champ. Randy got 2 of his title shots after losing his last fight.
Because of the above you'll always have some people questioning is legacy.
All that being said I don't think you can seriously debate whether he's a "legend" or not - he obviously is. What the guy has done at an advanced age is amazing as is the level of competition he has continuously faced. He's also served as a great ambassador to the sport and brought in tons of fans. He's also somebody that the average guy can easily root for - the perennial underdog who comes out on top more often than not. People love those types of stories which is why he'll always be remembered by fans. I don't think, however, that in 10+ years that he'll be the discussions about the "best ever" despite his accomplishments.