Originally posted by: PayaamElixir Date: March 13, 2009 at 09:38 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
I aint no businessman. I want to make notice of something. From a fighting perspecitve, it is poor judgement for John Howard to not take the fight. Your in the ufc, so fight. But from a business perspective is he really that wrong? I am not defending him or blaming him. I am straightforwardly asking a question. The first thing many of you say is he signed a contract so he has to fight. But how does that hold water, when the ufc can and often has dropped fighters before their contracts where up. So if it's a situation where he has to fight cause he signed a contract, should't they also honor their contracts. Haven't fighter signed long term contracts and been dropped after a fight or two? Like I said, either both sides have to always honor the contracts or both sides can look to redeal when they see fit. But how does one side have to always honor the contract(fighter), while the other side can do carte blanche. Imagine making a bet with your friend. What would you say if he told you, if I win the bet you have to pay me, if you win the bet Ill pay if I want to. Wondering how yall see this.
Originally posted by: Gordon Date: March 13, 2009 at 09:50 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
The UFC, from my understanding, has a clause that they can drop fighters for not performing well. That being the case, they are upholding their end of the contract.
Originally posted by: PayaamElixir Date: March 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
But ethically, that they put that in their contract shows they are looking at forthemlves in the highest manner. So yeah its in the contract. But still the fighter signs a contract not thinking hell be cut wth a loss, but thinking they will honor it. I still think it is backhanded. So is it really that bad for the fighter to look out for himself, cause who else would look out for him. Yaknow.
Originally posted by: Gordon Date: March 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
Yeah it's a shitty contract no one can fight that but the fighters sign them. The fighters have management that help them with decisions too so they don't have to sign.
Plus contract or no contract in the real world if you don't perform at your job you get fired. Same basic deal with the UFC.
You'll notice in the UFC it isn't so much your record as it is the performance you put on.
Originally posted by: PayaamElixir Date: March 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
Also. Your John Howard and you won over Chris Wilson. That is a very highly regarded person and that is a very quality win. I know they have sponsorship and other income sources. But come on, with sweet healthy youll fight 3-5 times a year. 5k to win 5k to show, especially going up against a toughass. The potential of making 5k putting your life on the line, but yet your in the ufc. The best fighting organization in the world. Yall dont see something wrong with that?
Originally posted by: cool14 Date: March 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
NarlyPersianDude said:
Also. Your John Howard and you won over Chris Wilson. That is a very highly regarded person and that is a very quality win. I know they have sponsorship and other income sources. But come on, with sweet healthy youll fight 3-5 times a year. 5k to win 5k to show, especially going up against a toughass. The potential of making 5k putting your life on the line, but yet your in the ufc. The best fighting organization in the world. Yall dont see something wrong with that?
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Howard was given a chance by the UFC to fight at the greatest MMA organization. Who is John Howard , he has a record of 11-4 or something like that with no marketing abilitiy . The 5k to show and 5K to win i will bet you is the highest he got in his life. The UFC gave him a chance to fight a highly rated up and comer and to be on tv. He should have taken the fight and WIN to have the right to ask for a pay increase. What you think will happened to him now. The UFC will cut him .
Originally posted by: vfrex Date: March 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
NarlyPersianDude said:
Also. Your John Howard and you won over Chris Wilson. That is a very highly regarded person and that is a very quality win. I know they have sponsorship and other income sources. But come on, with sweet healthy youll fight 3-5 times a year. 5k to win 5k to show, especially going up against a toughass. The potential of making 5k putting your life on the line, but yet your in the ufc. The best fighting organization in the world. Yall dont see something wrong with that?
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This topic has been beaten to death, but remember that if Howard wins or loses but impresses, he could win a 40-60k bonus. That alone puts him over the median annual salary in this country. Also, an impressive fight will gain him fans and viewers, making him more valuable to the UFC and sponsors. If he continues to impress, his pay will go up.
Originally posted by: buffaloblue Date: March 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/regarding-contracts-and-fighters-and-ethics.11515/
Does the guy realize the sponsership money offered for headlining a televised card?
If not headlining at least being on the main card?
Very poor decision from a future opprotunity standpoint.
