Ricco vs, Alistair

Originally posted by: DsP
Date: June 30, 2010 at 02:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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mabrown45 said:
I think its funny you guys are making a big deal out of this like it is something unusual........its overeem for god sakes.
Plus everyone needs to remember he is a top 5 HW...........i can't even type that without laughing out loud.
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I don't get all the hate ive heard for overeem, really. I realize he hasn't fought top HW's im mma consistantly, but who really has these days to be honest. IMO Rogers would be a pretty good scrap for a lot of ufc HW's like Mir, maybe even Carwin, Cain.... and Overeem walked through him.
The UFC Champ is Brock Lesnar, who's only really good W is against Frank, and he's also lost to him. Maybe that should give you some prespective on how the HW division as a whole is..... its an up and coming division in which a lot of the top guys are young in their fight careers and they havnt had a chance to work out who is best yet.. Time will tell, but I feel like Overeem has the skills to be top in the division. Just my thoughts.
 
Originally posted by: CF3
Date: June 30, 2010 at 02:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Weak fight. This is perfect example of what's wrong with SF. Their HW "champ" is going to fight a sub-top 10 dude in another promotion. How the hell is SF supposed to build up a brand name like this. Overeem is a legit MMA star, you would think Coker would want to have him fight in SF as much as humanly possible( i would actually pay to see him fight, unlike most of the other SF fights). Overeem should be fighting top guys....period. Imagine Brock or Carwin flying over to Japan to fight a non-relevant washed-up HW. This kind of nonsense guarantees SF will be a 2nd tier promotion.
 
Originally posted by: derek666
Date: June 30, 2010 at 02:42 PM
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This can't possibly be true!!!! no way, I am completely shocked that Overeem will be fighting Ricco, wow, amazing how the Reem is really challenging himself and only fighting the best. DaTruth, where are you? Your boy is testing the limits of his abilities with this one, remember, ya gotta beat the best to become the best and this fight proves that Overeem is the best!! WOW
 
Originally posted by: DsP
Date: June 30, 2010 at 03:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Overeem is fighting Ricco becuase their isnt much in strikeforce right now I imagine. Overeem fights so much so I give him a lot of credit for that. He dosnt sit on the sidelines for a year and all that exciting stuff :?
He also had a legit reason to stay in SF, so he can compete in K1 and Dream. No way Overeem can be accused of ducking anyone.
Lets just compared the last few"big wins" wins on each records just to put it in prespective:
Brock(4-1)
Mir-13-5
Randy-5-5 (at HW approx)
Herring-28-14
46-24
Overeem-(33-11)
Fujita-15-9
Rogers-10-2
Buentello-28-12
53-23
Just saying. One is UFC champ and looked at as a beast, and then one gets critisized for opponents... when its really not far off at all.
 
Originally posted by: iaintdaone
Date: June 30, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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would you defend brock if he was fighting ricco in japan where drug tests are lax at best?
 
Originally posted by: durtieb0xer
Date: June 30, 2010 at 03:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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CF3 said:
Weak fight. This is perfect example of what's wrong with SF. Their HW "champ" is going to fight a sub-top 10 dude in another promotion. How the hell is SF supposed to build up a brand name like this. Overeem is a legit MMA star, you would think Coker would want to have him fight in SF as much as humanly possible( i would actually pay to see him fight, unlike most of the other SF fights). Overeem should be fighting top guys....period. Imagine Brock or Carwin flying over to Japan to fight a non-relevant washed-up HW. This kind of nonsense guarantees SF will be a 2nd tier promotion.
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Let me start by saying that in no way am I a fan of Ricco!
This so called, non relevant, HW is riding a 7 fight winning streak and hasn't lost a fight in nearly a year and has fought 8 times since July of 2009.
Small promotion wins, I can't deny, but call it what u want. A winning streak is a winning streak no matter how u want to perceive it.
With that said, I think this fight will be the end of his winning streak IMO
Hopefully, Reem won't catch too much flack for accepting this fight.
 
Originally posted by: Gnarcore
Date: June 30, 2010 at 03:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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So Fedor gets called out relentlessly for fighting past their prime guys and people praise Overeem for this? This fight may be better than some of recent ones he has been in but that is only because he has been can crushing up a storm.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 30, 2010 at 03:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Dsp28 said:
mabrown45 said:
I think its funny you guys are making a big deal out of this like it is something unusual........its overeem for god sakes.
Plus everyone needs to remember he is a top 5 HW...........i can't even type that without laughing out loud.
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I don't get all the hate ive heard for overeem, really. I realize he hasn't fought top HW's im mma consistantly, but who really has these days to be honest. IMO Rogers would be a pretty good scrap for a lot of ufc HW's like Mir, maybe even Carwin, Cain.... and Overeem walked through him.
The UFC Champ is Brock Lesnar, who's only really good W is against Frank, and he's also lost to him. Maybe that should give you some prespective on how the HW division as a whole is..... its an up and coming division in which a lot of the top guys are young in their fight careers and they havnt had a chance to work out who is best yet.. Time will tell, but I feel like Overeem has the skills to be top in the division. Just my thoughts.
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No real hate for Overeem......i just find it funny when people call him a top 5 HW.....the man looks great and has a ton of potential but we don't' really know. Yes the entire HW division, SF and UFC are full of fighters who hasn't really fought anyone but just about all the HWs EXCEPT Overeem have fought 1 or 2 topISH guys.....
 
Originally posted by: DsP
Date: June 30, 2010 at 04:47 PM
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^^^^ I guess, but Overeem has Rogers who is top ish as well. Brock has 1... Mir, whos is topish. Randy isnt a HW, Herring isnt topish at all.
I guess we should go down the List.
Carwin- GG and Mir- 2 topish okay.
Cain- Nog- 1 Kongo- 1.5 topish
JDS- Werdum- ! elite. GG- 1 topish
Fedor- Rogers, AA. 2 topish
Ao- Rogers- 1 topish
Werdum- Fedor, Big foot. 1 Elite, 1 topish.
Anyway, its all really the same when you think about it. The way I see the HW division and rank it is on skill. Who would beat who the majority of the times. I think Carwin, AO, and Cain.. are the top 3 and will be shortly.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 30, 2010 at 04:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Dsp28 said:
^^^^ I guess, but Overeem has Rogers who is top ish as well. Brock has 1... Mir, whos is topish. Randy isnt a HW, Herring isnt topish at all.
I guess we should go down the List.
Carwin- GG and Mir- 2 topish okay.
Cain- Nog- 1 Kongo- 1.5 topish
JDS- Werdum- ! elite. GG- 1 topish
Fedor- Rogers, AA. 2 topish
Ao- Rogers- 1 topish
Werdum- Fedor, Big foot. 1 Elite, 1 topish.
Anyway, its all really the same when you think about it. The way I see the HW division and rank it is on skill. Who would beat who the majority of the times. I think Carwin, AO, and Cain.. are the top 3 and will be shortly.
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I will never consider Rogers a topISh at all........the guy is a big puncher who is exciting to watch but not a top athlete. He hits hard and is huge......thats about it. Each fight is different but any thought of him being a decent fighter was thrown out with window with his performance against Overeem. To me Rogers is just a bigger Kimbo.
 
Originally posted by: Gibbs
Date: June 30, 2010 at 04:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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The difference between rogers and kimbo is that rogers is still young and is just now making enough money to train full time I bet we see him back very soon and with a vengence
Also Ricco is no joke he has a great win streak going however i think size could play a huge role in this match up
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: June 30, 2010 at 05:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Rogers isn't topish because he didn't look good against Overeem? Did Mir look good against Carwin? Or his second fight with Brock?
Who are the top 5 HWs, and who are the "topish" opponents that they have beaten?
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 30, 2010 at 05:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Puxin said:
Rogers isn't topish because he didn't look good against Overeem? Did Mir look good against Carwin? Or his second fight with Brock?
Who are the top 5 HWs, and who are the "topish" opponents that they have beaten?
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The rogers part yes......the Mir part no against Carwin and decent against Brock #2. Completely irrelevant and different comparisons considering Mir is a former champ.
I do not even try to make a HW rankings list because they are a waste of time. I do not think as of right now Overeem is a top 5 HW because I have not seen him fight anyone of value. Like I said before he has potential and we will hopefully see in his next fight. If he wins the next SF fight I think he might deserve a top 5 spot or maybe ever 1 and it doesn't matter if its against Werdum or Fedor.
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: June 30, 2010 at 05:31 PM
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Bring in Wesley Snipes, he can beat him again.
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: June 30, 2010 at 05:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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mabrown45 said:
Puxin said:
Rogers isn't topish because he didn't look good against Overeem? Did Mir look good against Carwin? Or his second fight with Brock?
Who are the top 5 HWs, and who are the "topish" opponents that they have beaten?
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The rogers part yes......the Mir part no against Carwin and decent against Brock #2.
Completely irrelevant and different comparisons considering Mir is a former champ
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I do not even try to make a HW rankings list because they are a waste of time. I do not think as of right now Overeem is a top 5 HW because I have not seen him fight anyone of value. Like I said before he has potential and we will hopefully see in his next fight. If he wins the next SF fight I think he might deserve a top 5 spot or maybe ever 1 and it doesn't matter if its against Werdum or Fedor.
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There are several posters that say AA and TS are not quality wins for Fedor, even though they were former champs (I'm not saying that
you
personally said that). It just seems that there is an inconsistency when people evaluate UFC HWs versus when they evaluate non-UFC HWs.
I agree that Overeem is mostly unproven potential in MMA at this point. But, that's something that can be said of most of the top HWs right now, so I don't think that alone justifies a lower ranking for AO.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 30, 2010 at 05:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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Puxin said:
mabrown45 said:
Puxin said:
Rogers isn't topish because he didn't look good against Overeem? Did Mir look good against Carwin? Or his second fight with Brock?
Who are the top 5 HWs, and who are the "topish" opponents that they have beaten?
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The rogers part yes......the Mir part no against Carwin and decent against Brock #2.
Completely irrelevant and different comparisons considering Mir is a former champ
.
I do not even try to make a HW rankings list because they are a waste of time. I do not think as of right now Overeem is a top 5 HW because I have not seen him fight anyone of value. Like I said before he has potential and we will hopefully see in his next fight. If he wins the next SF fight I think he might deserve a top 5 spot or maybe ever 1 and it doesn't matter if its against Werdum or Fedor.
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There are several posters that say AA and TS are not quality wins for Fedor, even though they were former champs (I'm not saying that
you
personally said that). It just seems that there is an inconsistency when people evaluate UFC HWs versus when they evaluate non-UFC HWs.
I agree that Overeem is mostly unproven potential in MMA at this point. But, that's something that can be said of most of the top HWs right now, so I don't think that alone justifies a lower ranking for AO.
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Exactly and that is why I do not try to do rankings because they are almost worthless since there is no copromotion BUT I do not think what overeem has done yet will justify him to be a top 5........top 10 yes but not in the top 5 IMO. I know the irony in what I just said but I will make general statements regarding rankings but will not put together an entire list because the lack of co promotion means that several could be tied IMO.
 
Originally posted by: Gibbs
Date: June 30, 2010 at 06:42 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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listair Overeem (33-11 MMA, 3-0 DREAM) will not fight Ricco Rodriguez (42-11 MMA, 0-0 DREAM) at DREAM.15 – and he may not fight in the promotion ever again, according to his representative.
Martin De Jong, who trains and co-manages the Strikeforce heavyweight champion, said his camp will talk to DREAM representatives at the end of this week to determine Overeem's future in the Japanese promotion.
"Right now, I can just say he's not going to fight Ricco, and he's not sure if he's going to fight in DREAM," De Jong today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).
MMAjunkie.com first reported Tuesday that verbal agreements were in place for the July 10 bout, which takes place at the Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan. In fact, DREAM officials had distributed bout agreements and planned to announce the fight this week.
Rodriguez's agent, Ken Pavia, today said that he holds a signed contract for the bout. De Jong, though, said there's no such paperwork on his side.
"I didn't get any contract, and Alistair didn't agree, so it's not going to happen," he said.
The trainer said Overeem has no problem fighting Rodriguez and that the decision to skip the July 10 date stems from other issues with the promotion. However, he declined to divulge details.
It's unclear how Overeem can sidestep his contract if he chooses not to fight for the Japanese promotion. The heavyweight signed a multi-year, multi-fight agreement with DREAM in 2009 that drew the ire of stateside fans who said he neglected his duty to defend his Strikeforce belt.
Most recently, Overeem pulverized Brett Rogers in May at "Strikeforce St. Louis: Heavy Artillery" to defend his title for the first time in since winning it nearly three years ago.
Following Fabricio Werdum's upset of Fedor Emelianenko at this past Saturday's "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum" event, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker said Overeem could meet either Emelianenko or Werdum in his next stateside fight.
Pavia said DREAM has assured him that Rodriguez still will fight on the July 10 card, though an opponent has not yet been solidified.
 
Originally posted by: mma888avenger
Date: June 30, 2010 at 07:30 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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I guess his days of beating up cans are over and pride has prevailed....Good for him +1
 
Originally posted by: Puxin
Date: June 30, 2010 at 08:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ricco-vs-alistair.27345/
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mabrown45 said:
Exactly and that is why I do not try to do rankings because they are almost worthless since there is no copromotion BUT I do not think what overeem has done yet will justify him to be a top 5........top 10 yes but not in the top 5 IMO. I know the irony in what I just said but I will make general statements regarding rankings but will not put together an entire list because the lack of co promotion means that several could be tied IMO.
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I agree with you there.
 
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