Scoring in BJ vs Florian

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Zac
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

I found this statement while reading an article about Kenny Florian. While discussing his thoughts on the fight going into the fourth round:
"At the time, he felt he was up two rounds to one. While Penn likely secured the first round, he felt “confident” he had won the next two. In fact, after the fight, Florian says, he was approached by the commissioner who mentioned that at least one of the judges, if not a majority of them, agreed."
Not sure about you guys, but I had BJ winning all three rounds going into the fourth.
Here's the whole article:
http://mmamania.com/2009/08/11/kenny-florian-is-still-a-student-of-mixed-martial-arts/#more-14509

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: dpbembe
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

I had BJ up 3 rounds to none going into the fourth.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CanManOfSF
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Zac said:
I found this statement while reading an article about Kenny Florian. While discussing his thoughts on the fight going into the fourth round:
"At the time, he felt he was up two rounds to one. While Penn likely secured the first round, he felt “confident” he had won the next two. In fact, after the fight, Florian says, he was approached by the commissioner who mentioned that at least one of the judges, if not a majority of them, agreed."
Not sure about you guys, but I had BJ winning all three rounds going into the fourth.
Here's the whole article:
http://mmamania.com/2009/08/11/kenny-florian-is-still-a-student-of-mixed-martial-arts/#more-14509
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Just goes to prove what I thought before the fight, that Kflo is delusional.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmafanatic
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Penn didn't look as good in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as he did in the first. So, maybe that's the reason some people thought Florian had those 2 rounds, because he seemed active. However, he didn't do any damage and failed miserably on every takedown attempt. I did however, give Florian the 3rd round, because neither of them did much but Florian seemed to be attempting more offense. So, on my card it was Penn 2 rounds to Florian's 1, but it doesn't really matter.
I don't think this makes Florian any more delusional that any other fighter who thinks they're winning a fight they may be losing. Plus, he did better against Penn than Sherk and Stevenson combined. He's still the 2nd best LW in the UFC to Penn, in my opinion. Looking forward to seeing him in some other fights now. Florian/Edgar, Florian/Sherk 2, Florian/Griffin, Florian/Guida would all be interesting fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Sedulous
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

What do you know.....fightmetric had Penn up 3 rounds to 0 as well. I guess Kenny is just trying to make himself feel better about getting his *** kicked.
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Penn-Florian.html

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JunkieOverDog
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

If Kenny had won any of the 3 rounds it would have been the 2nd round. However, I gave BJ all 3 rounds going into the 4th.
If Kenny or his fans thought he was winning the fight I'd love to hear their reasoning. I imagine they would point to 'Octagon Control' and 'Aggression' as their scoring criteria. That is a valid argument, but it is also easily rebutted.
BJ was successfully defending Florian's takedown attempts. He was landing the cleaner shots. BJ was implementing his own strategy. BJ was allowing Kenny to waste energy pressing him up against the cage and attempting takedowns. All the while BJ was calmly defending and then landing big shots when the two separated. While Florian may have been scoring points for pushing BJ against the cage, all of that effort was nullified once Penn landed a 3 punch combo fighting off.
Simply put, you can't win a fight when you're entrenched in a stalemate. At best, Florian was in a stalemate with Penn against the cage.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MikeyR
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

I think Junkie had it 2-1 for Penn. I wouldn't disagree with that but at no point going into the fourth did I believe that Kenny was up.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jpaule
Date: August 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

MikeyRoss said:
I think Junkie had it 2-1 for Penn. I wouldn't disagree with that but at no point going into the fourth did I believe that Kenny was up.
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Agree, totally.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Reako
Date: August 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Randy and Bonnar both had the fight 2-1 Kenflo after the 3rd and stated as such on the ESPN post fight web show.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: outlander78
Date: August 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

As a fight fan, I wouldn't have scored in Kenny's favour, as I don't care about octagon control, but based on the octagon control part of scoring, all rounds would have gone to Florian - he was in control, though why he tried a GSP-style approach is beyond me.
Face it, Florian was going to lose this fight, the only question was how. No slight against Florian, but Penn's just too good.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: phxaz
Date: August 12, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

It doesn't really matter in the end, he got choked out.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: August 12, 2009 at 01:28 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

i would say that if you could win rounds by this hang'n'stay tactic which Florian was using, just standing and keeping BJ's legs and not getting him down not once, it would be disastrous for the future of MMA, many times at r1,r2,r3 i thought why dont the judge seperate them, since kenny aint getting that takedown, and BJ can just chill there and think about the hilo beaches. and everytime they seperated, BJ got couple-three good shots at Kenny. i dont even get that 2-1 round number. it should have been 3-0 or more likely 30-26 where Kenny gets in my books only 8 points on r1.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Phase
Date: August 12, 2009 at 01:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Fjodorz said:
i would say that if you could win rounds by this hang'n'stay tactic which Florian was using, just standing and keeping BJ's legs and not getting him down not once, it would be disastrous for the future of MMA, many times at r1,r2,r3 i thought why dont the judge seperate them, since kenny aint getting that takedown, and BJ can just chill there and think about the hilo beaches. and everytime they seperated, BJ got couple-three good shots at Kenny. i dont even get that 2-1 round number. it should have been 3-0 or more likely 30-26 where Kenny gets in my books only 8 points on r1.
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I'm not going to disagree with your assesment that BJ was up 3-0. I definitely gave BJ the first round, and I personally think that the second and third COULD have gone either way, and therefore I'm not going to attempt to argue it either way. However, I'm completely baffled as to why you gave BJ a 10-8 in the first round. Seriously, I see no way that you can argue that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: August 12, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

maybe you think its too light opinion to give only 8 points, but i think it would be close, i dont understand it anyways why its almost always 10-9 on the rounds, like it would be the only option, thay can give 6-10 points per round, and they do not use that option almost never, they could go to 1-2 point system on UFC if they dont want to use all their options what they do have, most of the time they just give 9 points to the loser of the round even if they have done nothing, ie, being in guard, not going into subs or trying to get out, just trying to survive to next round. that kind of situations should be 10-6, and it would force you trying to win the match after that, not only to win other 2 rounds by a marginal.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: XFacktor
Date: August 12, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

On my scorecard I had:
Round One: Penn
Round Two: Florian (very close, could go either way)
Round Three: Penn
Penn 2 - Florian 1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Phase
Date: August 12, 2009 at 02:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Fjodorz said:
maybe you think its too light opinion to give only 8 points, but i think it would be close, i dont understand it anyways why its almost always 10-9 on the rounds, like it would be the only option, thay can give 6-10 points per round, and they do not use that option almost never, they could go to 1-2 point system on UFC if they dont want to use all their options what they do have, most of the time they just give 9 points to the loser of the round even if they have done nothing, ie, being in guard, not going into subs or trying to get out, just trying to survive to next round. that kind of situations should be 10-6, and it would force you trying to win the match after that, not only to win other 2 rounds by a marginal.
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So going by your system, you could potentially win a fight by only winning 1 round on the judges scorecards?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BadassCoffee
Date: August 12, 2009 at 03:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

The second and third were close with Kenny winning most of the round clinching. But Penn secured each round by rocking Kenny.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: August 12, 2009 at 03:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

BadassCoffee said:
The second and third were close with Kenny winning most of the round clinching. But Penn secured each round by rocking Kenny.
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Since when is clinching winning a round? Clinching is nuertal....Both fighters are standing working overs and unders and trying to secure take downs.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Ace23
Date: August 12, 2009 at 03:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

What damage did Florian do? F'ning none is what.
Holding a dude against the fence isnt points, laying on a dude on the ground is, but not holding a dude against the fence.
BJ easily was up 3-0, yes round 2 was closer, with Penn still doing any damage inflicted.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: August 12, 2009 at 03:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/scoring-in-bj-vs-florian.16472/

Ace23 said:
What damage did Florian do? F'ning none is what.
Holding a dude against the fence isnt points, laying on a dude on the ground is, but not holding a dude against the fence.
BJ easily was up 3-0, yes round 2 was closer, with Penn still doing any damage inflicted.
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The funny thing is that idiots on here thought Ken Flo was purposely trying to hold Penn against the cage to tire him out and WAS NOT GOING FOR TAKE DOWNS. That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Ken Flo admitted yesterday that he tried to take him down repeatly and he couldnt.