Serena Williams

[Eranys]

HK's (marginally) smarter cousing here can't even provide a working definition to quantify "athletic ability" but wants to put Serena on the Mt. Rushmore .

Oh, I remember the word for dudes like him.

SIMP.

I haven't forgotten about the Chicken Little post about the Russian boats in '24. That was an equally bad take.

 

[Tito Orcheese]

 

[motives]

It's pretty fucking simple: to be the best athlete, you have to compete against the other best athletes in your sport. She didn't.

Athletes are traditionally judged by how dominant they are against their respective peers.
Serena dominated her peers in her sport why is that so hard for you to swallow?

The best athletes in tennis... ARE IN MENS TENNIS.

Chris Evret holds the record for all time win % . Men and women
Martina Navratalova has the most titles. Men and women.
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You're a f****** idiot if you think I am arguing that women are more athletic.
But you don't have to be the MOST athletic to be considered the greatest athlete .
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Tom Brady is far from the most athletic.

If I'm wrong, then why didn't she play against the men?

Because that's f****** gay....
Since when do we do that?

Hence, she did not compete against the best athletes in her sport

Well there are no men in women's tennis. Which was her sport.
How f****** dense are you Crete?

. No one says Jordan was the best men's basketball player

Maybe not. But in comparison
Along with her physical dominance Serena has 23 titles to Djokovics record 24
There's no female t basketball pro resembles career stats.
And there are no pro female hockey players.

. Or Gretzky the best mens hockey player.

Well professional women's hockey isn't a thing so.....moot.

Cool, good for you. Doesn't make her one of the best athletes of all time. You want to say she's the greatest female athlete of all time, go for it. Bring in the men, and you're simply so fucking wrong it's laughable.

Lol. We're talking about athletics not genetics for f*** sake.

 

[Eranys]

Athletes are traditionally judged by how dominant they are against their respective peers.
Serena dominated her peers in her sport why is that so hard for you to swallow?

Right. So she can be judged against other female tennis players. You're arguing that she is greater than the men. No one is disputing that she is the greatest female tennis player of all time. She is not the greatest tennis player of all time.

 

[Eranys]

You're a f****** idiot if you think I am arguing that women are more athletic.
But you don't have to be the MOST athletic to be considered the greatest athlete .

You are the one arguing she is the greatest athlete of all time. Those are your words.

 

[IOB WORLDWIDE]

Ok, I'm starting to think that @motives is a @bconcrete alt.

The ultimate switcheroo troll job

 

[Eranys]

Ok, I'm starting to think that @motives is a @bconcrete alt.

The ultimate switcheroo troll job

 

[Tito Orcheese]

@motives, you do know there is no language filter here, right? "Fucking cum guzzling cunts" flies around here.

 

[IOB WORLDWIDE]

You ever watched Serena play tennis...







































On weeeeeeed?

 

[IOB WORLDWIDE]

This is so stupid.
Neither is even riding a razor scooter!

 

[motives]

Right. So she can be judged against other female tennis players. You're arguing that she is greater than the men. No one is disputing that she is the greatest female tennis player of all time. She is not the greatest tennis player of all time.

There's one man with more tennis titles than her by one she has 23 Djokovic has 24
And Serena has faced the stiffer competition over the last 25 years
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In her or respective sport she is arguably the greatest ever.
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And if you are arguably the greatest tennis player of all time then you are probably one of the greatest athletes of all time in general.
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... I mean I get it...
MEN BED'R!! ME NAWT GAY THO!
..
That's Not my point.
But inside her respective sport she is proven to be arguably the best ever.

 

[Riz Farmer]

I get that but there's no way to put Serena Williams in the octagon with Tom Brady. Of course we're being subjective here but if she's already on Mount Rushmore then if she were to win Wimbledon then a lot has the booster up near the top of the conversation when speaking about All time athletic achievements.
Dang. Reflecting back I remember reading those early sports illustrated articles about Venus and they would ever so slightly mention Serena... She played second fiddle for almost a decade to Venus.
That said imagine adding a Wimbledon title at 44 years old after 4 years in retirement to this resume.
23 Grand Slam singles titles
14 Grand Slam Doubles titles
73 WTA single titles
23 WTA doubles titles
5 WTA Finals Crowns
4X Olympic Champion
2000 (Sydney) Olympic Doubles Gold Medal
2008 (Beijing) Olympic Doubles Gold Medal
2012 (London) Olympic Doubles Gold Medal
2012 (London) Olympic Singles Gold Medal
2 "Serena Slams"
(4 straight GS wins) in 2002 and again in 2014.

Yeah. Big sister was definitely ahead in the early days.
I remember the debates around their development and the father ‘holding them back’. I was at university and we discussed it in sports sociology class. That’s 30 years ago. Crazy that she is still playing.
Her deep knee bend on the backhand was a new level of physicality and since then several women have been able to use the same technique. Emma Raducanu does it really well now (and she’s hot).
Can Serena still do that at 44? I really doubt it. It was a significant weapon on the grass where the ball skids through.
I predict a round 3 exit at best.

 

[Eranys]

There's one man with more tennis titles than her by one she has 23 Djokovic has 24
And Serena has faced the stiffer competition over the last 25 years
.
In her or respective sport she is arguably the greatest ever.
.
And if you are arguably the greatest tennis player of all time then you are probably one of the greatest athletes of all time in general.
.
... I mean I get it...
MEN BED'R!! ME NAWT GAY THO!
..
That's Not my point.
But inside her respective sport she is proven to be arguably the best ever.

No. She may have the best record ever. But she is simply not the greatest tennis player ever.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Amanda Nunes had a record of 29-0. She would have a greater record than Jon Jones, but she would not be the greatest fighter of all time. Why? Because she can't beat Jon Jones.

Your problem is that you are debating from different positions simultaneously.

 

[motives]

Yeah. Big sister was definitely ahead in the early days.
I remember the debates around their development and the father ‘holding them back’. I was at university and we discussed it in sports sociology class. That’s 30 years ago. Crazy that she is still playing.
Her deep knee bend on the backhand was a new level of physicality and since then several women have been able to use the same technique. Emma Raducanu does it really well now (and she’s hot).
Can Serena still do that at 44? I really doubt it. It was a significant weapon on the grass where the ball skids through.
I predict a round 3 exit at best.

Yes chances are her championship days are gone.
But this will be fun to watch.
Especially if she makes it too round three.

 

[IOB WORLDWIDE]

We're done here.
Thanks for your input, Serena!

 

[IOB WORLDWIDE]

@Nastycrow
Close the thread

 

[Tito Orcheese]

We're done here.
Thanks for your input, Serena!

 

[motives]

No. She may have the best record ever. But she is simply not the greatest tennis player ever.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Amanda Nunes had a record of 29-0. She would have a greater record than Jon Jones, but she would not be the greatest fighter of all time. Why? Because she can't beat Jon Jones.

I would say you are correct in the idea of that the lines are getting crossed on where each of us are coming from on the topic.
Although the above logic does not apply concerning overall athletics.
The The question isn't meant to put her up against a genetic disadvantage outside of her own sport.
I'm closing the question from the stance of competition performance and longevity and importance inside of her sport which is women's tennis.
It's like the weight division thing We have them because there are physical differences It doesn't make one athlete better. Outside of the physical limitations you then need to enter into what they've done statistically inside of their sport.

 

[Riz Farmer]

IDK. Old people doing sport is sad.
Having no KOs in tennis makes the beat down last longer.
Maybe she fakes an injury again or starts screaming at the umpire about her baby.
Verdict: douche.

 

[Eranys]

It's like the weight division thing We have them because there are physical differences It doesn't make one athlete better.

Gee, that sounds really familiar. That's almost the exact position several of us have been arguing.