Shane Carwin

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Shane Carwin does not stand a chance against brock lesnar. The guy moves as slow as he speaks and anyone who knows collegiate wrestling know that a DIVISION 2 national champ is meaningless comparitively to an NCAA division 1 champ or all american. When you are a great wrestler, Division 1 schools offer you scholarship for excellent education and to be able to compete with the best. Shane Carwin would have been smoked in the 1999 Division 1 nationals. I would be willing to bet that he would not have placed.

 

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Originally posted by: kobeVSraja
Date: July 14, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

So did you start this thread to compare Div. I to Div. II wrestling and state the obvious or is there another point your trying to make..? And if its that Carwin doesnt stand a chance against Brock can you please state why?

 

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Originally posted by: lostlineman
Date: July 14, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

i dont think he will beat lesnar but he at least has a punchers chance!!

 

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Well it's clearly not obvious the way ufc hypes up his having been a national champ. They of course leave out the fact that he is a d2 champ. The reason I think Carwin will lose as I stated before is that he is SLOW. On top of this his technique in all positions is horrible including his wrestling technique. It works for him when he is up against sloppy guys, but when he has to fight a legit heavyweight, he'll be in for a real surprise. He was getting beat by gonzaga when he hit him with the knockout punch...I mean gonzaga even took him down! Sad, especially bc he was a wrestler, but as i said before...not a great one.

 

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Originally posted by: LogicalDreams
Date: July 14, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

portage said:
Shane Carwin does not stand a chance against brock lesnar. The guy moves as slow as he speaks and anyone who knows collegiate wrestling know that a DIVISION 2 national champ is meaningless comparitively to an NCAA division 1 champ or all american. When you are a great wrestler, Division 1 schools offer you scholarship for excellent education and to be able to compete with the best. Shane Carwin would have been smoked in the 1999 Division 1 nationals. I would be willing to bet that he would not have placed.
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He was 2 time All American

 

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

logical dreams...read the earlier post...if you need an in depth explanation why division 2 all american is not an impressive feat please let me know...

 

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Originally posted by: LogicalDreams
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

portage said:
logical dreams...read the earlier post...if you need an in depth explanation why division 2 all american is not an impressive feat please let me know...
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ok.

 

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Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Shane Carwin's slow? the only fight he's ever looked slow in was the Gonzaga fight, Gonzaga broke his nose and took Shane down, and I truly believe that if Gonzaga hadn't broken Shane's nose that fight would have never went to the ground. To me that fight showed that If Shane gets hurt he can bounce back, Brock hasn't been in that position yet where he's been hurt bad, but I think he will be if he fights Shane.
Of course Shane is the smaller guy compared to Brock, but he's the only guy big enough to give Brock a good fight, and plus Brock is not the only one that would have huge hands in the fight, Shane's hands are a glove size bigger than Brock's, and on top of that Shane has more experience. Brock does have the better wresting, but this isn't wrestling it's MMA.

 

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Originally posted by: HenryKrinkle
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

I think anyone that can stuff Brocks shoot and can punch can beat him. If anyone has the strength to avoid a takedown it could be Shane.

 

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Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

HenryKrinkle said:
I think anyone that can stuff Brocks shoot and can punch can beat him. If anyone has the strength to avoid a takedown it could be Shane.
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Best of luck stuffing more then a couple TDs a night. Brock might be big and strong, but he is QUICK for a man his size. Tack on a wrestling pedigree that only on paper Couture and Hendo can top, and you have for a TOUGH night.

 

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Originally posted by: HenryKrinkle
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

I totally agree with that but it's the only chance there is lol

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Logical dreams...Here is how it goes...like any sport, when you are a great wrestler coming out of high school, division 1 schools are doing all that they can to get you to come to their school...As an athlete who wants to prove himself to be the best, you choose to go Division 1...sometimes grades play a part and athletes will go to a junior college for a year or two, get their grades up and then transfer to d1...Now, there are those who choose to go division 2 or 3...Division 3 schools do not offer scholarships at all and D2 schools can only offer very limited amounts...As I said before, Carwin is a Division 2 all american and champion...Their are times when Division 1 will recognize the excellence of a Division 2 wrestler and allow them to compete the next year in the Division 1 nationals...their are also other times when a division 2 wrestler is scouted by a division 1 school and then transfers the following year to d1...This usually only happens when a younger wrestler, i.e., freshman, sophomore, and sometimes junior have won multiple national division 2 titles. In this case and in the case where a d2 wrestler is invited to compete in the d1 nationals, the d2 athletes who were national champs in the d2 often dont even place in the Division 1 nationals...It's kind of like the pro's and the minor's...UFC wants to hype up their athletes so they say he was a national champ, but under closer inspection you find out he was only a d2 champ. I saw the 1999 division one nationals in which Stephen Neal beat Lesner by a point in Lesnar's junior year. This was also the year Carwin won the D2 nationals. I don't think Carwin would have even placed had he competed in the division 1 championships. I've seen Carwin and he is not very good, but he is strong. If you ever see a guy listed as a national champ or all american in division 1, he is legit 100% and any wrestler would say the same. I wrestled Division 1 and for a BIG TEN school.

 

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Originally posted by: JonnyF
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Learn to use paragraphs, it's painful to read walls of text.
It's been 10 years since Brock and Carwin were wrestling in college. People can improve overtime. Look at GSP, no college wrestling and now he's one of the best wrestlers in MMA.
Mir has shown Lesnar can easily be hit when he's shooting in, and Carwin has shown that he only needs one shot.

 

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

gsbgsb09 said:
Shane Carwin's slow? the only fight he's ever looked slow in was the Gonzaga fight, Gonzaga broke his nose and took Shane down, and I truly believe that if Gonzaga hadn't broken Shane's nose that fight would have never went to the ground. To me that fight showed that If Shane gets hurt he can bounce back, Brock hasn't been in that position yet where he's been hurt bad, but I think he will be if he fights Shane.
Of course Shane is the smaller guy compared to Brock, but he's the only guy big enough to give Brock a good fight, and plus Brock is not the only one that would have huge hands in the fight, Shane's hands are a glove size bigger than Brock's, and on top of that Shane has more experience. Brock does have the better wresting, but this isn't wrestling it's MMA.
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Hey gsbgb09, maybe we should give the fight to Carwin because his "glove size" is bigger than brock's...on a different note: have you seen the sloppy guys that carwin has fought in the past...the only and I mean only fighter worth his salt in any fashion was gonzaga and shane only won one second of that fight and it happened to be the second he knocked gonzaga out...gonzaga was winning until that moment

 

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 09:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

JonnyF said:
Learn to use paragraphs, it's painful to read walls of text.
It's been 10 years since Brock and Carwin were wrestling in college. People can improve overtime. Look at GSP, no college wrestling and now he's one of the best wrestlers in MMA.
Mir has shown Lesnar can easily be hit when he's shooting in, and Carwin has shown that he only needs one shot.
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GSP trained with 2000 Canadian olympic champion Daniel Igali as well as the rest of the olympic team for years before he had a clue how to stop matt hughes double leg takedown and besides that hughs wasn't the greatest wrestler himself.
GSP is also a phenomenal athlete and specimen and could pick up and be excellent at any sport if he put his mind to it.
Carwin is slow, untechnical, and awkward to this day as he was in division 2 college wrestling.
He is only attribute is his strength.
Hope my one sentence paragraph spacing eases your reading pains JonnyF

 

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Originally posted by: nerdiss
Date: July 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

portage said:
JonnyF said:
Learn to use paragraphs, it's painful to read walls of text.
It's been 10 years since Brock and Carwin were wrestling in college. People can improve overtime. Look at GSP, no college wrestling and now he's one of the best wrestlers in MMA.
Mir has shown Lesnar can easily be hit when he's shooting in, and Carwin has shown that he only needs one shot.
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GSP trained with 2000 Canadian olympic champion Daniel Igali as well as the rest of the olympic team for years before he had a clue how to stop matt hughes double leg takedown and besides that hughs wasn't the greatest wrestler himself.
GSP is also a phenomenal athlete and specimen and could pick up and be excellent at any sport if he put his mind to it.
Carwin is slow, untechnical, and awkward to this day as he was in division 2 college wrestling.
He is only attribute is his strength.
Hope my one sentence paragraph spacing eases your reading pains JonnyF
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How many times are your gonna say that carwin was a division 2 wrestler, do you have to say it every post. I got the point
There is a difference between actual wrestling and MMA wrestling, Im not a fan of matt hughes but to say that he wasnt a good wrestler is pretty crazy. His wrestling is what made him the champ for so long.
Anyways I think we have all got the point now, you dont like shane carwin, and you love brock lesnar. Hopefully this thread will be merged with the big lesnar thread

 

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Originally posted by: keystone
Date: July 14, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Why cant everyone just accept that this is gonna be a great fight. Plus we will get to hear Rogan refer to BOTH Lesnars and Carwins hands as "lunchboxes" its gonna be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Originally posted by: gsbgsb09
Date: July 14, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

I only mentioned the glove thing because they both seem to hurt there opponents very badly because of there huge hands and power behind there punch, and so what if Carwin was losing, that could have happened to Brock if he fought Gonzaga for all I know. Bottom line is anything can happen in a MMA fight, it doesn't always come down to "who has the best wrestling".

 

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Originally posted by: portage
Date: July 14, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

How many times are your gonna say that carwin was a division 2 wrestler, do you have to say it every post. I got the point
There is a difference between actual wrestling and MMA wrestling, Im not a fan of matt hughes but to say that he wasnt a good wrestler is pretty crazy. His wrestling is what made him the champ for so long.
Anyways I think we have all got the point now, you dont like shane carwin, and you love brock lesnar. Hopefully this thread will be merged with the big lesnar thread[/quote]
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pretty funny stuff, though I must say in all honesty that hughs was not that great of a wrestler, as soon as he started fighting guys with good wrestling background, and when st. pierre started training hard with the canadian olympic wrestling team, hughs wrestling offensive fell apart...I like matt very much and think he was a great fighter but his wrestling skills are not on the level randy couture or brock or koschek who were all great wrestlers

 

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Originally posted by: ohio_mma_fan
Date: July 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shane-carwin.15358/

Did you actually see Carwin wrestle? I never have and can't find any results so its hard for me to argue. So I will just say that since he was at least a pretty good wrestler, he has a better chance of stopping takedowns than Mir did. IMO.
As far as the Gonzaga fight. It lasted 1:09. In that 69 seconds they touched gloves, danced, Carwin got his nose broken, got taken down while he was dazed, stood back up and proceeded to knock Gonzaga out. And your knocking him for that fight? Yeah he was getting beat up so bad that he stood up and knocked the guy out. Good point.
Carwin is a pretty big heavyweight that has 1 punch knock out power. He also has a pretty good wrestling pedigree. He also has a stiff challenge coming up. Cain is pretty quick. He is also a pretty good wrestler. I think that fight will be very telling on how he can handle takedowns. I don't see Cain wanting to stand and trade with Carwin too much.