Shogun Rua vs. Anderson Silva

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: JuSt1nSaNe
Date: October 29, 2009 at 01:00 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

I think shogun is agressive and pushes the pace,but still has excellent defense, it seems like he doesn't really get hurt bad, when getting hit. He did good against machida and the rematch will be great. but If shogun wins, while silva defends the MW belt one (or 2)more time maybe silva will then wanna go for the LHW belt and get revenge at the same time. He did say he wants to fight mir cause of Nog, that probably won't happen,but i think this is definitely a possible match up later on. even though silva looks unstoppable, so did machida. shogun would be bigger, more effective in close range and always looks to mix in takedowns. i think he can take silva, but silva has a good chance of knocking him out also.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: wolf
Date: October 29, 2009 at 01:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

I was thinking about this the other day. What if...and this is a big if, Shogun beat Machida. I think without a doubt that Anderson Silva would go fight for the title and destory Shogun, becoming solidified as the best fighter of all time, would probably be 12 or 13-0 in the UFC and then go get his *** kicked by RJJ.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: October 29, 2009 at 01:40 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

anyone who thinks he would "Destroy" Shogun is on crack

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Boxer82
Date: October 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Silva would destory Shogun

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

this thread will look exactly like Machida vs Shogun before, Silva will have like 90% of the votes, as soon as the discussion fires up, lachita (AS fans as well)are going to start bashing Shogun for his performances against forrest and Coleman.. then since Shogun won the fight against lachita, all the lachita huggers (who will of course support AS now) that admited that shogun won the fight...will suddenly change their minds going into an argument about this thread and will go... HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY SHOGUN CAN POSSIBLE BEAT AS?? hes wash out, forrest beat him, he bearly beat coleman, beat an old wash out Chuck and lachita totally destroyed him (note that after a week of 104, having a close decision will turned into totally ownaged by lachita) ... AS WILL TOTALLY DESTROY SHOGUN (they'll say)... and I again I will have the biggest laugh of my life (and insime I'll go, what a TUFFER)... then a week before the fight I will start another
IN YOUR FACE
thread, ppl are going to laugh at me calling me crazy and stuff, but the result will be the same, Shogun by whatever he wants...and of course, lachita and AS's fans will remain shut for a couple of days after the fight ... the only difference will be that this time, shogun will KTFO AS... so no blind *** bias lachita fan judge will judge against him. (not to mention AS will be much easir for Shogun to finish than Machida) ...
Mark this post.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: October 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Rage you're really chugging that Shogun Kool-Aid hard aren't you?
It's blatantly obvious that Anderson Silva's Muay Thai is superior to Shogun's, not to mention he is well versed in other striking arts. On the feet it would be terrible for Shogun, using his text book Muay Thai on a guy who has superior Muay Thai and boxing, along with substantially better kicks. The only place where this fight would be even is on the ground, and there I would actually give Shogun the advantage. Shogun's only hope to beat AS is to use his strikes to set up take downs (which he might be able to get against AS) and work subs on the ground. Idk what makes anyone think Shogun's lesser Muay Thai skills are going to be enough to KO the Spider standing.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kcrazy
Date: October 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Machida was able to clinch and knee Shougun on a few occasions, I think Anderson would have a field day in that part.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: gh326
Date: October 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Shogun would break Andersons chicken legs with those kicks. Shogun has excellent Muay Thai and would not be caught in that clinch/knees, he would probably deliver his own as I think he would be marginally stronger than Anderson. I bet on Shogun against Machida and would bet on him again against Silva..Would be a great fight though.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: October 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

gh326 said:
Shogun would break Andersons chicken legs with those kicks.
Shogun has excellent Muay Thai and would not be caught in that clinch/knees,
he would probably deliver his own as I think he would be marginally stronger than Anderson. I bet on Shogun against Machida and would bet on him again against Silva..Would be a great fight though.
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Lyoto seemed to be able to get into clinch, and deliver quite a few knees right into Rua's body.....
Now, I am not taking ANYTHING away from Rua, but fighting Machida and fighting Anderson are TOTALLY different. Lyoto's and Anderson's striking come from grossly different angles, and Anderson uses his thai clinch a LOT better then most of the other UFC fighters.
And speaking of strength, just because Anderson is skinnier then many other fighters, does not mean he isn't strong. You want to question his power, take a look at a division he laid to waste. Or ask James Irvin, or Forrest Griffin, just how strong he is.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Lasse
Date: October 29, 2009 at 02:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

And speaking of strength, just because Anderson is skinnier then many other fighters, does not mean he isn't strong. You want to question his power, take a look at a division he laid to waste. Or ask James Irvin, or Forrest Griffin, just how strong he is.
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Usually strength is determined on how well a fighter utilizes his takedown and wrestling ablities. Anderson isn't the strongest guy in the world, but he's a millon times more precise than any other fighters in any division.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 29, 2009 at 02:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Johnny419 said:
Rage you're really chugging that Shogun Kool-Aid hard aren't you?
It's blatantly obvious that Anderson Silva's Muay Thai is superior to Shogun's, not to mention he is well versed in other striking arts. On the feet it would be terrible for Shogun, using his text book Muay Thai on a guy who has superior Muay Thai and boxing, along with substantially better kicks. The only place where this fight would be even is on the ground, and there I would actually give Shogun the advantage. Shogun's only hope to beat AS is to use his strikes to set up take downs (which he might be able to get against AS) and work subs on the ground. Idk what makes anyone think Shogun's lesser Muay Thai skills are going to be enough to KO the Spider standing.
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Im chuggin Shogun's kool-aid??? I was the first poster to stand up for shogun when everyone was giving him 0% chances against chuck, and against Machida, its no kool aid, why? simple SHOGUN HAS SHOWN and back his hype up, he stream rolled every single LHW (but wandy) at PRIDE, he is 27 years old, and now he is even better than back in PRIDE, not to mention he just beat the all mighty Machida (who before the fight was almost as dangerous as God him self), ppl were talking and giving him a shot against Lensar and Fedor for cry out loud, but hell, Anderson is muuuuuuuuuch better than MACHIDA??? give me a break.
And where did you get AS MT is better than shoguns?? where? Shogun has superior kicks, by far, I think AS will have range and probably clinch advangate, I think AS's knees might be better, though im not so sure. Machida out knee shogun, I said it and thats not because shoguns clinch isnt any good, its because machidas knees are damm good, How many guys have you seen doing those outside knees and actually causing damage in every fight he fought, Machida hurt Tito and Thiago, and did conect good ones to shogun, I havent seen anderson using those knees as good as machida has... I do Agree that Anderson seems to be more elusive and has better boxing, but Shogun is stronger, more agressive, and has an incredible chin. Not to mention his got a better ground game... It will be close for sure, but Shogun will the fight. Shogun has proven to be a better fighter and by the way.
The truth is that Shogun has done much more than what AS has done on his carrer, and with this win over machida, he might just be the GOAT at LHW, and before you ZUFFA huggers flame the f** out of me, post a LHW with a better record than Shogun.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: October 29, 2009 at 03:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

I know you are a hardcore Shogun fan but I think saying he will KTFO the Spider is a bit of a stretch, hence the kool-aid remark.
Shogun may have stronger leg kicks than Anderson Silva, but I'll say that's about it. Silva's kicks are much faster, accurate, and dynamic than Shogun's.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: October 29, 2009 at 03:10 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Johnny419 said:
I know you are a hardcore Shogun fan but I think saying he will KTFO the Spider is a bit of a stretch, hence the kool-aid remark.
Shogun may have stronger leg kicks than Anderson Silva, but I'll say that's about it. Silva's kicks are much faster, accurate, and dynamic than Shogun's.
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Shogun has better overall kicks, AS has the better boxing and I will say clich too probably, with his reach he doesnt have to get too close to deliver knees.
Lets break it down like this.
Shogun:
Kicks.
Stronger.
Ground Game.
As:
Boxin
Reach
Clinch. (that includes Knees)

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: October 29, 2009 at 05:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

I'd love to see the fight at some point.
Despite Machida getting in the clinch, I feel Shogun did a great job of basically defending a lot of Machida's big stuff and not getting a lot of damage. It would be an interesting fight to be sure.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Johnny419
Date: October 29, 2009 at 06:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

I still don't understand why Shogun has better kicks than AS, sure they might have some more power and his leg kicks cause more damage, but I would that that is about it. IMO AS has a larger arsenal of kicks that he is able to use effectively at his disposal, which is my reasoning for saying he has better kicks than Shogun.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: October 29, 2009 at 06:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

shogun/Anderson would be interesting i know shogun can get Anderson down

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: buakaw_por_pramuk
Date: October 29, 2009 at 06:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

shogun > anderson

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kcrazy
Date: October 29, 2009 at 07:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Project86 said:
shogun/Anderson would be interesting i know shogun can get Anderson down
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You know that? Cause I don't. Marquartt has much better takedowns and Anderson hit a prettly quick switch on him. And even if Shogun did get him to the ground, whats the advantage? Only submission victory he has is a kneebar win over Randleman. I'd say their ground game is even.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Project86
Date: October 29, 2009 at 07:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

kcrazy said:
Project86 said:
shogun/Anderson would be interesting i know shogun can get Anderson down
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You know that? Cause I don't. Marquartt has much better takedowns and Anderson hit a prettly quick switch on him. And even if Shogun did get him to the ground, whats the advantage? Only submission victory he has is a kneebar win over Randleman. I'd say their ground game is even.
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his GNP
lutter and okami got him on the ground btw

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: kcrazy
Date: October 29, 2009 at 07:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/shogun-rua-vs-anderson-silva.18915/

Project86 said:
his GNP
lutter and okami got him on the ground btw
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For display of skill I'd go with the most recent example, and who also happens to be the best takedown guy of the three. I mean Hendo was able to take him down, but I don't think Shogun is comparable to that. And Anderson submitted Hendo, who's proven to be pretty tough against jitz. So I'd stick with ground game is equal, but my guess it's irrelavent in this fight.