Spider-Man: No Way Home (Spoiler Discussion)
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My predictions.
Some are more obvious than others.
Happy dies.
MJ gets saved by The Amazing Spiderman.
Doc Oc helps Peter "fix things".
All of the bad guys get Stark tech, with Vulture help.
Scarlet Witch helps Strange get the universes back.
Loki shows up.
Venom cameo at the end.
I'm going to go out on a limb... but I'm predicting that Peter will be so butthurt over being "out'ed" that he'll go to Dr. Strange and ax him to undo it. Strange will totally boner it up though and open up a bunch of multiverses, and we'll get SpiderMen and Villians from other dimensions.
If I'm right, Rhino owes me $1,000,000 in Dog-E Coin.
osubuckeye4 said:
I'm going to go out on a limb... but I'm predicting that Peter will be so butthurt over being "out'ed" that he'll go to Dr. Strange and ax him to undo it. Strange will totally boner it up though and open up a bunch of multiverses, and we'll get SpiderMen and Villians from other dimensions.
If I'm right, Rhino owes me $1,000,000 in Dog-E Coin.
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Can you blow me where the pampers is?
I'm gonna try to go see it tonight, but if not, definitely tomorrow night. At this point, if Andrew and Tobey don't show up, I'll be disappointed. But based on the non spoiler reviews saying fans will be satisfied, I think that's their way of saying they'll be in the movie.
Got back from the theater a while ago, and I'm still piecing my thoughts together. I really liked most of the movie, but there were a few moments towards the end where they went for emotional gut-punches that ended up not being what I personally wanted to happen.
Also, there was a group of ladies in the front of the theater who got themselves thrown out for being too loud and obnoxious. They kinda tainted the viewing experiences of everyone else in the theater.
8.75/10
Minor gripes.
*"I wanna fix them." DUMB. I get the why behind it, but we could have came up with a better plot driver.
*No 6th villian. Like really? U give us 5/6. Lame.
*Wasting Venom for an end credit scene. He didn't necessarily have to be the 6th villian, but they took the time to tie him in, use him for more than another cameo. (YES I KNOW HE LEFT SOME SYMBIOTE BEHIND)
Multiple awesome moments.
*The bridge battle. Even tho the trailer spoiled alot, it was still sweet.
*Doc Ock. Alfred Molina is awesome
*The first fight between Goblin and Spidey where they are smashing thru floors
*Andrew and Tobey arrival. WOW.
*"You have a suit or U gonna fight dressed as a really hip youth pastor?"
*Loved how Tobey was kinda more wise, and Andrew had a bit of self loathing, based on their past battles as Spidey in their own universes.
*and the absolute best moment of all:
"YOU KNOW, IM SOMEWHAT OF A SCIENTIST MYSELF."
OH f--- ALMOST FORGOT
MATT MURDOCK!!!!!
This is from the 4-star Letterboxd review that I just completed...
So firstly, I would just like to wish a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to the people in the front section of the theater who would not stop talking, shouting, and laughing during what was a very crucial and emotional part of the movie. You guys kinda tainted the viewing experience for pretty much the whole theater, and I'm very glad you got kicked out.
Now onto the movie itself, spoilery stuff included. I don't smoke, but I felt like I needed a cigarette by the end of the movie. Spider-Man, no matter who wears the mask, has always been a character that has chosen to see the best in people, and turn the most negative situations into positive learning experiences. Spider-Man is about putting the needs of others before the needs of yourself in order to do what's right, simply because you have the power to do so. This movie took those aspects of Spider-Man to heart, and used it to create some moments I really enjoyed, as well as some moments that were NOT what I wanted.
First, what I liked:
~The villains' redemption arcs. One of the things the MCU tends to overdo, but still does really well is humanize its antagonists, and at the very least dance around the possibility of them being given a second chance to be their best selves. This movie took five villains from Spider-Man movies past, gave them that same opportunity, and for the most part knocked it out of the park! Not only that, but the actors were all given second chances to show off their range with these characters in ways that their first appearances didn't allow them! Big props especially to Alfred Molina, Willem Dafoe and Jamie Foxx for making the most of their time on screen!
~The trinity of Peters. I knew it was coming, but it was still great to see, and they did it by having all three Peters (Tom, Tobey and Andrew) highlight the qualities that make this character so great (science, humor, optimism, willpower, good hearts, etc.)! I really hope this isn't the last time we get to see Tobey or Andrew suit up, and I also hope this isn't the last time these three Peters will share a screen together, because they're all great! And I think this was an important aspect of this movie in that it didn't try to say any particular actor was a better Spider-Man than the others... it just rewarded you for being a fan of all three!
~Matt Murdock. Charlie Cox is back, and he caught a flying brick, made a joke, and that was all he needed to do!
~Ned with a sling ring. I don't want to see this character become a villain. He discovered he had a knack for magic, and I want to see him explore it more in the future as a potential member of the Young Avengers!
~The Venom cameo in the mid-credits. Welp, Tom Hardy was in the MCU for about 2 days in-universe, and I don't know if he's coming back or not. At the very least though, he left a part of the symbiote behind, and we can probably guess that Tom Holland is gonna get himself a black suit soon!
~The Dr. Strange 2 post-credit trailer. Was that the evil Dr. Strange from What If? that we got to see?! Intriguing!
And now for the stuff I got that I either didn't like or didn't want:
~Underutilizing Thomas Hayden Church. I don't know why, but ever since I saw Thomas Hayden Church in the movie George Of The Jungle, I've been a fan of the guy. I haven't followed his career religiously, but I get happy whenever I see him in something. He left a good impression on me as a youth, and so when I saw that Sandman was gonna be in this, I was excited because that meant THC was coming back to reprise the role. And much like the other villains in the movie, THC got to show more of his acting range reprising this character. That said, I feel like he and Lizard did a lot less in the movie compared to their villainous counterparts. Maybe it was a money thing considering Sandman and Lizard were in CGI form for the majority of their arcs?
~Killing off Aunt May. So firstly, hearing Aunt May deliver the "With great power comes great responsibility" line was a little shocking for me. I think we as fans have been conditioned for so long to hear that line delivered by a father figure like Uncle Ben (to the point that Uncle Ben took complete ownership of that line in my brain), that hearing the line delivered from a mother figure like Aunt May kinda took me by surprise. Also, they kinda said that line without using the exact words in Captain America: Civil War, so I didn't think that the exact line would ever pop up in the MCU. But getting back on track here, why did May have to die?! And why did her death have to draw out for so long that we first think she's okay and then she slowly goes towards the metaphorical light?! Why do that to me as a viewer, and why do that to Peter as a character?! Especially considering the next thing I'm going to bring up...
~Peter is all alone. He did the most Spider-Manly thing imaginable, and erased himself from the minds of everyone in his universe so that EVERY universe could survive... and now he has nobody. May is dead, Tony is dead, Dr. Strange doesn't remember him, Happy doesn't remember him, Ned doesn't remember him, MJ doesn't remember him. He has no family or friends left, and he's choosing to keep it that way to protect them, living alone in Tobey's apartment from Spider-Man 3, and I don't like it. You can like Andrew and Tobey's portrayals of the character, but Tom Holland's Peter Parker has been the most unique portrayal of the character that we've seen in a major capacity, because he got to work with other heroes, form cool relationships, and he actually got to experience life in the public eye as an outed superhero. Now it feels like Tom Holland's Spider-Man has been retconned back to the status quo storylines and beats of every other Peter Parker we've seen before his, and I don't want that status quo. And maybe something will happen in a future movie that will make me reconsider my thoughts about this, but for now, I don't like this. I don't like that we hit the reset button on this character's arc without backing up the data on a memory card.
So I guess to summarize my thoughts, I really like the movie overall, but I don't like the resolution to the main conflict because it feels way too much like a return to the overplayed familiar with Spider-Man. I will likely be proven wrong by the next Spider-Man movie that comes out, but that's how I feel in this moment.
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So I just had a realization...
The connecting thread between all of the otherworldly visitors is that they knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man. A friend of mine stated that it made no sense for Tom Hardy's Venom to have made the trip because there isn't even a Spider-Man in his world. In all actuality, it makes perfect sense for Tom Hardy's Venom to be there because of the Multiversal Symbiote Hivemind. Because Topher Grace's Venom learned the identity of Tobey's Peter/Spider-Man, that means EVERY Symbiote in the multiverse knows that at least one Spider-Man in the multiverse is Peter Parker. This includes Tom Hardy's Venom, after the Symbiote gave Eddie a giant info-dump in the post-credits scene in
Venom: Let There Be Carnage
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But then when I was thinking about this, I started thinking about all the other times that the villains of this movie learned Spider-Man's identity, and I couldn't remember Electro learning the identity of Andrew's Spider-Man. So can somebody remind me when Electro learned Spider-Man's identity? Because if that didn't happen, then this well-constructed plot kinda falls apart.
Just came out of the movie theater! What an awesome movie!!! We haven't had this type of a blockbuster movie since "EndGame!" The first after credit scene with Venom was just confusing! It didn't make sense for him to magically disappear, since we know that he exists in the Morbius' universe and inside that same universe the Vulture exists too! There was no need to leave a piece of symbiote behind at the bar.
This might be my new #1 MCU movie. So much done right, very little to nothing done wrong. Back to the classic homemade red and blue suit!
That teaser for Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness was great too. They just made "What If" even more crucial to the MCU.
Prince-Vegeta said:
Just came out of the movie theater! What an awesome movie!!! We haven't had this type of a blockbuster movie since "EndGame!" The first after credit scene with Venom was just confusing! It didn't make sense for him to magically disappear, since we know that he exists in the Morbius' universe and inside that same universe the Vulture exists too! There was no need to leave a piece of symbiote behind at the bar.
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Yes, I was a little confused by that too. So does this mean that Tom Hardy will not appear with Tom Hollands SM?
I thought the whole movie was Spectacular...
Best moments were when all 3 spideys were discussing random stuff.
Fights were amazing
Aunt May...
Things I didn't like (didn't ruin anything)
A world altering spell was too easy to mess up.
Peter Parker wanted for murder...nah its fine.