State of Jefferson

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Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: February 09, 2016 at 09:25 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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A rebirth of the separatist movement to split up California. 51st state would be call Jefferson. Good idea or bad idea? Hee Haw!! (That hee haw was probably unnecessary, but why are these guys always decked out in camo??)
http://interactive.nydailynews.com/...on-secessionists-california-gun-totin-rebels/
 
Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: February 09, 2016 at 09:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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Appearances aside, given that Northern and Southern California are so wildly different, it would kind of make sense to split California up.
I don't know where exactly the dividing line would be... San Jose? Fres-NO!? Sacramento?
There are actually quite a few states that probably could benefit from splitting into smaller states, to better serve their constituencies. Not that I'm grabbing my AR-15 and heading to the streets, but, my own state of Illinois would probably benefit from splitting off, with Normal or Springfield as the dividing line. Chicago is basically a state in and of itself, and it's kind of ridiculous that people in Effingham or Carbondale (down in the southern half of the state) are constantly getting pushed around and subjected to ridiculous property tax hikes to pay for mismanagement of funds in C(r)ook County.
Really, Cook County in and of itself could be it's own state.
 
Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: February 09, 2016 at 09:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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osubuckeye4 said:
Appearances aside, given that Northern and Southern California are so wildly different, it would kind of make sense to split California up.
I don't know where exactly the dividing line would be... San Jose? Fres-NO!? Sacramento?
There are actually quite a few states that probably could benefit from splitting into smaller states, to better serve their constituencies. (Illinois would probably benefit from splitting off, with Normal or Springfield as the dividing line)
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This is true.... I have a friend that moved out to Cali a few years back and he likes the Northern part because it is like the wild west up there. But I think most states with major cities are like this. NY isn't really any different. 95% of the state is country... as soon as you leave the city and get on the thruway, it's nothing like NYC anymore. Yet NYC politics rule the state. Maybe the cities should branch off into their own states instead.
EDIT - Appearances actually have a lot to do with it too... if these guys want to be taken seriously, drop the camo. Otherwise city d-bags like me are going to make hee haw jokes. Proper PR makes achieving your goals so much easier sometimes. Put on some suits and represent yourselves. Otherwise the media is going to portray you like backwards militia members. Gotta play the game sometimes.
 
Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: February 09, 2016 at 09:54 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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cmvideo75 said:
This is true.... I have a friend that moved out to Cali a few years back and he likes the Northern part because it is like the wild west up there. But I think most states with major cities are like this. NY isn't really any different. 95% of the state is country... as soon as you leave the city and get on the thruway, it's nothing like NYC anymore. Yet NYC politics rule the state. Maybe the cities should branch off into their own states instead.
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This actually came up a few years ago out here.
In November 2011, State Representatives
Bill Mitchell
and
Adam Brown
introduced a proposal to make Cook County a state of its own. They felt that all of Illinois outside of Cook County should become a separate state, due to Chicago's "dictating its views" to the rest of the state.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_proposals#Illinois
Not that I'm saying it's a bulletproof idea (I haven't looked into the logistics), but it's not quite as far fetched as it might have sounded 75 years ago.
cmvideo75 said:
EDIT - Appearances actually have a lot to do with it too... if these guys want to be taken seriously, drop the camo. Otherwise city d-bags like me are going to make hee haw jokes. Proper PR makes achieving your goals so much easier sometimes. Put on some suits and represent yourselves. Otherwise the media is going to portray you like backwards militia members. Gotta play the game sometimes.
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No doubt, these guys look like fools.
They don't even need suits... just throw on a polo and some jeans. (dude on the right's outfit is fine)
 
Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: February 09, 2016 at 09:59 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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osubuckeye4 said:
This actually came up a few years ago out here.
In November 2011, State Representatives
Bill Mitchell
and
Adam Brown
introduced a proposal to make Cook County a state of its own. They felt that all of Illinois outside of Cook County should become a separate state, due to Chicago's "dictating its views" to the rest of the state.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_proposals#Illinois
Not that I'm saying it's a bulletproof idea (I haven't looked into the logistics), but it's not quite as far fetched as it might have sounded 75 years ago.
No doubt, these guys look like fools.
They don't even need suits... just throw on a polo and some jeans.
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Back in the day (still to a degree now) there was a big push for Staten Island to secede from NYC because we were the 'forgotten borough'. LOL. Then pretty much all of Brooklyn moved into SI (and Staten Islanders moved to NJ) and it all died down.
 
Originally posted by: osubuckeye4
Date: February 09, 2016 at 10:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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I should probably clarify... I'm not advocating for these guys, or for anything that I typed above.
While I get how it would be easier in some regards... it sounds like at the end of the day, it would be a logistical nightmare.
Water rights, highway/roads, schools, state law enforcement... it just sounds like a mess to try to chop up. Then you'd have to have a whole other series of elections, and there would probably be a bunch of squabbling over where the line should actually start/end.
Then you factor in that large portions of Southern California and all of Chicago are both pretty much on the verge of bankruptcy, and it sounds like a disaster if it actually occurred.
It comes across to me as one of those "sounds better on paper than it reality" type ideas.
 
Originally posted by: cmvideo75
Date: February 09, 2016 at 10:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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osubuckeye4 said:
I should probably clarify... I'm not advocating for these guys, or for anything that I typed above.
While I get how it would be easier in some regards... it sounds like at the end of the day, it would be a logistical nightmare.
Water rights, highway/roads, schools, state law enforcement... it just sounds like a mess to try to chop up. Then you'd have to have a whole other series of elections, and there would probably be a bunch of squabbling over where the line should actually start/end.
Then you factor in that large portions of Southern California and all of Chicago are both pretty much on the verge of bankruptcy, and it sounds like a disaster if it actually occurred.
It comes across to me as one of those "sounds better on paper than it reality" type ideas.
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It seems to me an ultra-rural state like they are proposing would need a ton of Federal support to survive too, much like all the farming areas in the midwest. How would this place subsist?
 
Originally posted by: filipino
Date: February 09, 2016 at 10:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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osubuckeye4 said:
Appearances aside, given that Northern and Southern California are so wildly different, it would kind of make sense to split California up.
I don't know where exactly the dividing line would be... San Jose? Fres-NO!? Sacramento?
There are actually quite a few states that probably could benefit from splitting into smaller states, to better serve their constituencies. Not that I'm grabbing my AR-15 and heading to the streets, but, my own state of Illinois would probably benefit from splitting off,
with Normal or Springfield as the dividing line
. Chicago is basically a state in and of itself, and it's kind of ridiculous that people in Effingham or Carbondale (down in the southern half of the state) are constantly getting pushed around and subjected to ridiculous property tax hikes to pay for mismanagement of funds in C(r)ook County.
Really, Cook County in and of itself could be it's own state.
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From an admittedly outsider POV, Normal definitely seems like the place where America's been dividing itself recently.
 
Originally posted by: Magson13
Date: February 09, 2016 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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I agree that California should be spit up into two states, because yes, they are wildly different in the north and south, and they have one of the most massive populations of all states. Dividing them up would allow the northern portions to have a governor that represented their needs.
But, these people need to learn how to go about things. As noted earlier, why are they always in camo? And jeans? Especially right after the whole Bundy standoff, they're going to dress just like those people, and try to get their state split into two? If you want to accomplish something political, there's a way to go about it, and they are not doing it correctly.
 
Originally posted by: Jorge P
Date: February 09, 2016 at 11:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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cmvideo75 said:
A rebirth of the separatist movement to split up California. 51st state would be call Jefferson. Good idea or bad idea? Hee Haw!! (That hee haw was probably unnecessary, but why are these guys always decked out in camo??)
http://interactive.nydailynews.com/...on-secessionists-california-gun-totin-rebels/
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Possibly Good for California. Sucks for the rest of the nation. They have plenty of economy to do it.
 
Originally posted by: rhino78
Date: February 09, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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Good idea, then I can say this when I visit...
Well we're movin' on up (movin on up)
To the east side (movin on up)
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin' on up (movin on up)
To the east side (movin on up)
We finally got a piece of the pie.
source:
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/thejeffersonslyrics.html
 
Originally posted by: filipino
Date: February 09, 2016 at 12:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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Camo is the goofiest looking s--- in the world, lol. But that woman is pretty intimidating.
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: February 09, 2016 at 02:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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Jefferson?
They should pick something more appropriate to California, like Chavez.
Unless they don't take kind to no Mexicans 'round those parts...
 
Originally posted by: filipino
Date: February 09, 2016 at 03:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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^^^ Was wondering about that - if it was just typical "Founding Fathers" reactionary bulls---, but apparently the Jefferson name comes from a state proposed by Jefferson when he sent Lewis and Clark on their expedition. Commonly called "Cascadia" by many in the movement, which includes, not surprisingly, a big chunk of southern Oregon in addition to Northern California.
 
Originally posted by: Tum Tum
Date: February 09, 2016 at 03:37 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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While this thread brings up a separation of states I was wondering would it be good for some states to merge as well? I don't know the politics of each state but why not combine some like North and South Dakota? Montana and Idaho?
 
Originally posted by: redd1
Date: February 09, 2016 at 04:34 PM
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Did anyone else see the map that floated around last month or so that redrew all the state lines so every state had the same population?
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: February 09, 2016 at 04:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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redd1 said:
Did anyone else see the map that floated around last month or so that redrew all the state lines so every state had the same population?
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No.
 
Originally posted by: redd1
Date: February 09, 2016 at 04:46 PM
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CopperHeart said:
No.
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d---.
 
Originally posted by: Tum Tum
Date: February 09, 2016 at 04:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/state-of-jefferson.68435/
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Based on that map I would live in the state of Atlanta. I don't hate that map but Shiprock and Salt Lake are massive.
 
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