Strikeforce 185lb 8-man Tourny

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: itadakimasu
Date: June 21, 2010 at 09:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

The article on the main page says that Strikeforce may already be planning an 8 man 185 tourny to crown a 185 champ when/if Shields does leave for the UFC.
I think it would be EPIC if this was a 1 night affair... Is that possible in the states? Do athletic commissions permit guys to fight multiple times in a single night?
I think that would even be a SF PPV worthy event if they chose to do that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: June 21, 2010 at 09:08 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

no its not 1 night thing, athletic comissions dont allow that, and where they can get 8 men in MW? LOL.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: itadakimasu
Date: June 21, 2010 at 09:35 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

Fjodorz said:
no its not 1 night thing, athletic comissions dont allow that, and where they can get 8 men in MW? LOL.
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I know, right?
Kennedy
Mayhem
Frank Shamrock
Robbie Lawler
Melvin Manheuf
Nick Diaz
Jacare
Scott Smith
Villasenor
Babalu ? ( came in light @ 193 against lawler... could probably make the 185 cut w\ no problem )
They could fly them out to Japan
That would be an awesome fight card. You'd probably need a couple alternates in case of injury...

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: fanhood
Date: June 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

I would see the preliminary round sometime in August or September, then have the Semi-Finals and Finals on one night in November. Here is my proposed bracket.
Jacare - Great fight between proven grapplers
Kennedy
Babalu - He can make this weight. Plus, if he will not fight King Mo, there is no point to keep him at LHW
Miller
Henderson - A fight against either guy can headline a card.
Smith/Le Winner
Lawler - Who does not want to see this rematch?
Manhoef

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: flcmbt
Date: June 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

Personally I think this concept is a little bit of a poor move on Strikeforce's part. They are known for having depth problems, and don't draw anywhere near UFC numbers. Just rolling over and letting their Champion just walk away without a fight is rediculous. That is how Pride, Elite XC, Affliction, and all the rest died. They didn't keep their talent, and let the bigger names in their organization leave. Yes there are a million fighters out there who will happily take less money to fight, but You can't ignore that Jake Shields is easily one of, if not their biggest draw.
That being said, the field of contestants for the tourney is decent. It could go anywhere, depending on who gets matched up with who.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BaconBits
Date: June 21, 2010 at 01:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

It would be cool. It would generate long term interest in Strikeforce, something they really don't have currently. The tourney would take the better part of a year and lay out a bunch of shows. If they could get Showtime to promote it like they do the Super Six, they'd do bigger (albeit not a whole lot bigger, but still) numbers than they have been doing. I'm sure a modest bump in ratings would help their cause and maybe even get them back to the promised land of CBS. What helps is that 185 is the one division where they could pull it off. It's the only division they have that has any kind of depth.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmablaster
Date: June 21, 2010 at 01:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

I think they should have the 8 man tourney over 3 events, one fight per night.
Babalu looked really skinny at 193, don't think he can make it down another 7-8 pounds. Doubt Frank Shamrock would do it. Still, Kennedy, Manhoef, Mayhem, Jacare, Henderson, Lawler and the Scott Smith/Cung Le winner would be a heck of a line-up.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: June 21, 2010 at 01:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

StrikeForce should do these tournments. UFC does not do them, but fans love these type of Grand Prix tourneys(Pride days).
I think SF should do it for every division. Certainly couldnt hurt them.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: carl258
Date: June 21, 2010 at 01:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

ACOGSCOPE said:
StrikeForce should do these tournments. UFC does not do them, but fans love these type of Grand Prix tourneys(Pride days).
I think SF should do it for every division. Certainly couldnt hurt them.
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first post in a long time i agree with you, definity they need to make this tournaments for almost every division they got, MW division is a perfect idea since they have the deep to do that.
the LW too since they have some figthers that can fill the tournament to face Gilbert, WW is a problem beause they dont have the deep but is a good way to find some figthers to fill the roster, LHW is the same as the WW, the only division that i think it would not be a good idea to make a tournament is the HW division.
also this will keep figthers active and fans interesting in SF moves

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gibbs
Date: June 21, 2010 at 01:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

yeah have somthing similar to bellator. It creates new stars.
I think they should really try and keep shields tho

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: June 21, 2010 at 02:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

flcmbt said:
Personally I think this concept is a little bit of a poor move on Strikeforce's part. They are known for having depth problems, and don't draw anywhere near UFC numbers. Just rolling over and letting their Champion just walk away without a fight is rediculous. That is how Pride, Elite XC, Affliction, and all the rest died. They didn't keep their talent, and let the bigger names in their organization leave. Yes there are a million fighters out there who will happily take less money to fight, but You can't ignore that Jake Shields is easily one of, if not their biggest draw.
That being said, the field of contestants for the tourney is decent. It could go anywhere, depending on who gets matched up with who.
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Its SF job to sign up and comers like the UFC does. No reason why they cant go out and offer opportunities to people who are looking to fight for a big show. Plenty of good fighters out there waiting to be recognized. The up and comers need to face tough competitoin to get better.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: itadakimasu
Date: June 21, 2010 at 02:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

Luke Rockhold is a 185er too.
185 is probably the deepest strikeforce division... they have several guys listed on their website as being 170-185 and then babalu for example could probably easily make 185.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Gibbs
Date: June 21, 2010 at 02:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

185 is extremely competative to everyone is above average and they got some up and comers such as tim kennedy

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mmajay
Date: June 21, 2010 at 04:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

They might be defunct by the time this tournament gets to the championship bout.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: grapplethis
Date: June 21, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

optimus828 said:
Fjodorz said:
no its not 1 night thing, athletic comissions dont allow that, and where they can get 8 men in MW? LOL.
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I know, right?
Kennedy
Mayhem
Frank Shamrock
Robbie Lawler
Melvin Manheuf
Nick Diaz
Jacare
Scott Smith
Villasenor
Babalu ? ( came in light @ 193 against lawler... could probably make the 185 cut w\ no problem )
They could fly them out to Japan
That would be an awesome fight card. You'd probably need a couple alternates in case of injury...
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i like that, but i'd think jacare would have to be the odds on favourite to win the whole thing.
i could see anyone BESIDES frank shamrock and scott smith beating anyone else in that tourney on a given night. yes, i think manhoef could beat diaz (manhoef CAN beat anyone that stands with him) and i think diaz could beat jacare (but i wouldn't bet on it) and i think villesenor could beat a few guys and provide fun fights for the top guys (wouldn't stand a chance vs. babalu, jacare, diaz, manhoef or lawler IMO)
i would love that tournament, with the exact people you named (though you have to wonder, why not have dan henderson instead of scott smith?).

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: June 21, 2010 at 04:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

Somehow i think Batisa will end up in the MW tourny for his debut.....the way SF is heading i see that happening. Then he will lose and fight for the HW belt.
290lbs or not SF can make it happen!

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Rocksteady
Date: June 21, 2010 at 05:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

If Jorge Santiago beats Misaki, I'll have him as my favorite to win the whole shbang, that is if they actually give the winner of Santiago/Misaki a tournament spot.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: CF3
Date: June 21, 2010 at 08:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

I really like Tournament style fights. Bellator has been doing a great job with theirs. Seems like the fairest/best way to choose a title fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: jvillain
Date: June 21, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

Personally I think this concept is a little bit of a poor move on Strikeforce's part. They are known for having depth problems, and don't draw anywhere near UFC numbers. Just rolling over and letting their Champion just walk away without a fight is rediculous. That is how Pride, Elite XC, Affliction, and all the rest died. They didn't keep their talent, and let the bigger names in their organization leave
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New to this whole MMA thing? Those organizations all went under by way over spending on talent.
Babalu has already said 185 would be to much for him. The cut to 195 was tough enough.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: June 22, 2010 at 03:05 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/strikeforce-185lb-8-man-tourny.27010/

optimus828 said:
Luke Rockhold is a 185er too.
185 is probably the deepest strikeforce division... they have several guys listed on their website as being 170-185 and then babalu for example could probably easily make 185.
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No way he could make 185 lbs. He would have to stop working out for weeks to lose muscle. He was bone dry at the weigh in for 195 lbs. Cant see him dripping out another 10 lbs.