Study: MMA brain injury risk higher

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Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: March 31, 2014 at 06:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

I'm surprised this hasn't made the rounds here. There is an associated video at the link where the ESPN MMA columnist disagrees with this study, and rightfully so. Either way, I can see this as being ammo in the fight against the sport.
http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/10690370/study-shows-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher-boxing
ALBANY, N.Y. -- About one-third of professional mixed martial arts matches end in knockout or technical knockout, indicating a higher incidence of brain trauma than boxing or other martial arts, according to a new study in the American Journal of Sports Medicine.
University of Toronto researchers examined records and videos from 844 Ultimate Fighting Championship bouts from 2006 to 2012 for the study published this month. They found that 108 matches or nearly 13 percent ended in knockouts. Another 179 matches, or 21 percent, ended in technical knockouts, usually after a combatant was hit in the head five to 10 times in the last 10 seconds before the fight was stopped.
"We're taking the premise with this that what you see on TV is one thing, but to kind of add scientific rigor to document it objectively," said Michael Hutchison, co-author and director of the concussion program at the university's MacIntosh Sports Medicine Clinic.
With the technical knockouts, or TKOs, they reviewed videos and found "an increasing number of repetitive strikes to the head" during the last 30 seconds of a match, he said.
Professional mixed martial arts includes elements of wrestling, judo, boxing and kickboxing inside an enclosure with fighters wearing small, fingerless gloves and no headgear.
Officials from UFC, the sport's major brand, seeking approval to stage bouts in New York have argued that mixed martial arts has evolved over 20 years with many safety regulations to protect fighters, including mandatory suspensions after concussions. They say it's safer than boxing, where fighters tend to take repeated blows from padded gloves, with no history of deaths or traumatic brain injuries sustained in the ring.
Lawrence Epstein, chief operating officer of UFC, called the Toronto study "somewhat flawed" and said a forthcoming study by researchers who have enrolled nearly 400 active and retired fighters will provide better insight.
"By partnering with the Cleveland Clinic, one of the world's leading medical research institutions, on advanced studies aimed at not only preventing long-term brain injuries, but also identifying those predisposed to them, the UFC demonstrates true commitment to the safety of all professional athletes," Epstein said.
Preliminary results from the Cleveland studies found athletes with higher exposure to head trauma -- based on a formula including number of fights, years fighting and fights per year -- were likelier to score lower on cognitive testing. Researchers conducting the free, ongoing assessments of fighters' brain health are examining factors like genetics, lifestyle or head trauma exposure and susceptibility to injury.
The Toronto researchers, who examined UFC matches, found the time from a knockout blow -- often a punch to the jaw -- until matches were stopped averaged 3.5 seconds with losers on average getting hit 2.6 more times to the head. With TKOs, they found that in the last 30 seconds before a match was stopped the loser was hit on average 18.5 times, 92 percent of those to the head.
Hutchison acknowledged that unlike the knockouts, which meet the criteria for brain concussions, they can't definitively identify the particular injury from a TKO. Professional rules say that happens when a referee stops a fight because one competitor can no longer defend himself. "We can accurately suggest ... this can't be good for their health," he said.
Citing data from other research, the study said the mixed martial arts head trauma rate also outpaces football and hockey.
The researchers proposed introducing rules like in boxing where a fighter gets a 10-second count and evaluated after a knockdown. They also proposed more training to help referees to identify fighters who are defenseless or have lost consciousness so they can stop fights more quickly.
"Given that participation at amateur levels of the sport is growing rapidly, we expect to see high rates of traumatic brain injuries at more junior levels of amateur competition," the researchers wrote. "These points strongly argue for banning the sport in youth and for preventive strategies to reduce the burden of traumatic brain injuries in professional MMA fighters who elect to fight."
Hutchison wasn't saying whether mixed martial arts should be legal or not, only that adults should know the risks so they can make informed decisions. People are inherent risk takers, and some do it with drinking, smoking, skydiving or other activities, but they should be aware, he said.
Most states have legalized and regulated professional mixed martial arts although some are silent on the matter. New York is the only state that prohibits such fights and longstanding efforts to get it legalized recently stalled again for advocates hoping to gain access to Madison Square Garden and other New York venues.
The state Senate has passed the bill for several years and put it in a proposed budget for the upcoming fiscal year, but it has not cleared the state Assembly.
New York state Sen. Joseph Griffo sponsored legislation that would legalize the sport and subject amateur mixed martial arts to state oversight that would include more stringent rules and regulations like those employed by amateur boxing. Regulation would also help the state go after the underground fights with paying audiences that are occurring now, especially in New York City, he said.
"I think everybody would agree the objective is to be very sensitive and do everything possible with preventing trauma to the head," Griffo said. "I don't think in any way that should prevent the sport."
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Originally posted by: Jowest9992000
Date: March 31, 2014 at 07:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

So this study actually did nothing besides record statistics from videos.
 
Originally posted by: madictionary
Date: March 31, 2014 at 07:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

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Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2014 at 08:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

These guys know what they're getting into. Besides it's the practice and preparations for a fight that likely causes the lingering stuff.
 
Originally posted by: Contender
Date: March 31, 2014 at 08:38 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Whilst I can't agree on the validity of the study given the poor methodology, I can't disagree with this:
The researchers proposed introducing rules like in boxing where a fighter gets a 10-second count and evaluated after a knockdown. They also proposed more training to help referees to identify fighters who are defenseless or have lost consciousness so they can stop fights more quickly.
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Originally posted by: Reckin007
Date: March 31, 2014 at 10:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Seriously though, Dana White should get on this and get these guys tested for brain injuries. It's ridiculous that it hasn't been thought of already.
 
Originally posted by: FaruqAbdullah
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

http://uk.screen.yahoo.com/reality-concussion-sport-101429614.html
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:13 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Has the standing 10 count really helped prevent head injuries in boxing? I don't believe that.
 
Originally posted by: FaruqAbdullah
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:19 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

All contact sports have head injuries and concussions, especially football.
 
Originally posted by: Spud
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:26 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Reckin007 said:
Seriously though, Dana White should get on this and get these guys tested for brain injuries. It's ridiculous that it hasn't been thought of already.
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Eh, there is a current study looking at it. And unlike this (awful) study, they're actually examining the fighters, brain scans & all, not just watching video.
Here's a Junkie article about it.
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/what-does-mma-do-to-the-human-brain-one-study-searches-for-answers/
 
Originally posted by: Spud
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Contender said:
Whilst I can't agree on the validity of the study given the poor methodology, I can't disagree with this:
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Standing 8 count doesn't help at all. 10 seconds isn't enough time for the brain to recover, but someone can regain their senses in that time. What you're doing is letting them continue fighting after receiving brain damage.
 
Originally posted by: Spud
Date: April 01, 2014 at 05:34 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Something that this study completely ignores is the amount of times that athletes compete. When comparing MMA to the NFL or NHL that has to be taken into consideration. In an individual contest MMA is more likely to cause damage, but UFC fighters compete on average 2 times per year. Considering that, you get this (from BloodyElbow)
Paul Gift at Bloody Elbow done a great article looking at some of the other flaws in the study. He's done some really good articles on analytics and this is no exception.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/3/3...matic-brain-injury-ufc-fighters-knockouts-tko
 
Originally posted by: BOATDUDEGUY
Date: April 01, 2014 at 07:28 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Fuh wheel?
Repeated strikes to da hed over yrs can incwease bwain damage
 
Originally posted by: Bob002
Date: April 01, 2014 at 09:33 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Spud said:
Standing 8 count doesn't help at all. 10 seconds isn't enough time for the brain to recover, but someone can regain their senses in that time. What you're doing is letting them continue fighting after receiving brain damage.
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I agree with this 100%. The standing 8 count is terrible for this exact reason. People also think that because they wear bigger gloves that it's not as bad.
I'd need some stats I was unable to find yesterday to accurately give some answers, but I took the average number of strikes landed per round x 12 to come up with ~200 land strikes per full boxing match. Then, I took the fighter with the highest punches landed per minute in the UFC (Glover at 6.35), multiplied that 5 and then by 3. Granted, this is all "best case". It was ~100 strikes. All things being equal, you're going to tell me that taking 100 more punches is somehow "better"? This study is just extremely flawed from the outset.
Spud said:
Something that this study completely ignores is the amount of times that athletes compete. When comparing MMA to the NFL or NHL that has to be taken into consideration. In an individual contest MMA is more likely to cause damage, but UFC fighters compete on average 2 times per year. Considering that, you get this (from BloodyElbow)
Paul Gift at Bloody Elbow done a great article looking at some of the other flaws in the study. He's done some really good articles on analytics and this is no exception.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/3/3...matic-brain-injury-ufc-fighters-knockouts-tko
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Thanks for the link. At least someone recognized how piss poor this study really was.
 
Originally posted by: Contender
Date: April 03, 2014 at 03:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Shawnd1901 said:
I agree with the ref part but a standing 10 count is a horrible idea it would never work in mma if you knock a guy down you pounce on him
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I actually missed that bit. Tired.
My main argument is that there are many fights that should've been stopped well before they were where the fighters are out on their feet and although conscious, really aren't in the fight anymore and are just taking a continuous pounding to the head for an extra round or two. That kinda s--- needs to be stopped I think.
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: April 03, 2014 at 03:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

As others have said, this is not the findings of an actual study of MMA fighters. Boxers tend to take more blows, especially after the point where they can really defend themselves.
You take a serious blow in boxing, you have several seconds to respond. You take that blow in MMA and the fight is over.
 
Originally posted by: Contender
Date: April 03, 2014 at 03:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

MysterLynch said:
You take that blow in MMA and the fight is over.
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Umm... what?
 
Originally posted by: MysterLynch
Date: April 03, 2014 at 04:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

Contender said:
Umm... what?
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Simple terms: You take a brutal blow in boxing...a blow that puts you on queer street, you have 10 seconds to respond. That same blow in MMA ends the fights. In other words, MMA does not give you time to respond...time to take more blows.
 
Originally posted by: MMAFTM13
Date: April 03, 2014 at 05:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

What about illegal back of the head strikes? Cuz Shogun Rua may have to be tested....
 
Originally posted by: Flound
Date: April 03, 2014 at 05:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/study-mma-brain-injury-risk-higher.61646/

MysterLynch said:
You take that blow in MMA and the fight is over.
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Contender said:
Umm... what?
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MysterLynch said:
You take a...blow in boxing...a blow that puts you on queer street. That same blow in MMA....does not give you time to respond...time to take more blows
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Are you saying more blowing is a good thing or a bad thing? Or that one should pause between blows to at least thank or acknowledge their effort before proceeding apace?
Is that why fighters smile after a hard blow?
 
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