The JFF, JEC, J-1 Dynamic open discussion.

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Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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So right now there is the JEC and the JFF.
JFF = UFC PPV, Fox, and FS1
JEC = Fight Pass, TUF Finale, Bellator, WSOF, ect.
J-1 = Doesnt exist.
2015 idea
JFF - UFC PPV 12-14 Events, Fox 4 Events, FS1- 12 events = 26-30 events
JEC- Fight Pass 12 Events, TUF Finale 2 Events, Bellator 16 Events = 30 Events
J-1- WSOF 8 Events, Invicta 4-6 Events, Misc Friday Cards 12-15 Events = 27-30 Events
I am just kinda torn on giving the Big WSOF or Invicta cards to J-1.
This is just brainstorming as it would have to mean J-1 had the numbers to maintain.
I think we would see JEC participaition pick up quite a bit possibly though.
Maybe I still used 2-4 WSOF cards a year at times.
 
Originally posted by: josephdumas
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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Personally, I feel naked when we're not fighting on a Friday night. I would love to see all the axxess TV fight cards in FF
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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josephdumas said:
Personally, I feel naked when we're not fighting on a Friday night. I would love to see all the axxess TV fight cards in FF
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Part of the reason I got away from them is numbers were struggling and those cards kept getting worse, but with the Fight Pass cards and now Bellator going to 16 cards a year, that may provide the area to really start J-1 back up with the right person running it.
 
Originally posted by: BigSexyVreeland
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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If you bumped WSOF and Invicta down to J1 I'd feel compelled to play those cards, which I never had been all that interested to.
Just saying. Good for numbers
 
Originally posted by: bausch66
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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I'd like Blue's setup. I almost feel like Bellator and WSOF should be a "feel" thing. I think the big WSOF and Invicta cards could get a few JEC spots and demote the occasional Bellator to J-1. I think something like OneFC's next card could snag a JEC spot in this system too. I think there are certain cards from promotions that you could demote Bellator's weak cards.
So my suggestions is just take the best cards from the pool of Bellator, WSOF, Invicta, and OneFC to meet the quota of 16 remaining from the UFC.
EDIT: I will say that my system still likely keeps the majority of the latter 3 promotions' cards in J-1. So J-1 will still see the boost in membership from these companies
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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BigSexyVreeland said:
If you bumped WSOF and Invicta down to J1 I'd feel compelled to play those cards, which I never had been all that interested to.
Just saying. Good for numbers
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Thats certainly part of my thinking there.
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 18, 2014 at 10:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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bausch66 said:
I'd like Blue's setup. I almost feel like Bellator and WSOF should be a "feel" thing. I think the big WSOF and Invicta cards could get a few JEC spots and demote the occasional Bellator to J-1. I think something like OneFC's next card could snag a JEC spot in this system too. I think there are certain cards from promotions that you could demote Bellator's weak cards.
So my suggestions is just take the best cards from the pool of Bellator, WSOF, Invicta, and OneFC to meet the quota of 16 remaining from the UFC.
EDIT: I will say that my system still likely keeps the majority of the latter 3 promotions' cards in J-1. So J-1 will still see the boost in membership from these companies
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Bellator is going to more stacked monthly card nexxt year. 10 less cards more stacked from my understanding today and through my source with the company.
 
Originally posted by: bausch66
Date: August 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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buffaloblue said:
Bellator is going to more stacked monthly card nexxt year. 10 less cards more stacked from my understanding today and through my source with the company.
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Lol you mean every news site? But yes I agree that it'll be more stacked. But I could see an injury here or there being able to push at least one card into J1 contention.
My main point is that I don't like to handcuff ourselves by establishing a hierarchy of orgs
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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bausch66 said:
Lol you mean every news site? But yes I agree that it'll be more stacked. But I could see an injury here or there being able to push at least one card into J1 contention.
My main point is that I don't like to handcuff ourselves by establishing a hierarchy of orgs
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Oh, so now you wanna laugh cause its outthere already.
ask CD and Bowser, I have been talking for that model for weeks.
Bellator would not likely have many J-1 cards if any.
I do need to see how they do the undercards. They have at least explored the old Strikeforce model with a featured prelim and then having the local guys bring their guys in similar to what they did with Finney MMA for the St. Louis shows.
Is that written on all the sites to?
 
Originally posted by: bausch66
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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buffaloblue said:
Oh, so now you wanna laugh cause its outthere already.
ask CD and Bowser, I have been talking for that model for weeks.
Bellator would not likely have many J-1 cards if any.
I do need to see how they do the undercards. They have at least explored the old Strikeforce model with a featured prelim and then having the local guys bring their guys in similar to what they did with Finney MMA for the St. Louis shows.
Is that written on all the sites to?
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If you think that Bellator won't have any J-1 then go for it. You're statement just sounded pretty silly with how public that information is when you said it.
 
Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:14 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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I think most big wsof and invicta cards should be apart of jec. It'd be an easy judgement call to say which should be jec and which j1 imo. you could easily chop cards and shuffle them around, too. And with wsof growing into other countries, such as wsof Canada and Japan, we will see weaker but still quality j1 type of cards.
J1 should be limited here. Orgs like onefc, cage warriors , some rfa cards and then the smaller wsof and invicta cards. Etc.
As much as I like to compete on any card, even the small ones, I think j1 needs to limit the promotions it uses and truely uses the best avail to keep consistent numbers and maybe even grow some.
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:36 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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bausch66 said:
If you think that Bellator won't have any J-1 then go for it. You're statement just sounded pretty silly with how public that information is when you said it.
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Yup, but its been something I have been saying for several days. Heck, I am pretty sure I mention the bellator show cut in my press conference from last Friday.
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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coreymb said:
I think most big wsof and invicta cards should be apart of jec. It'd be an easy judgement call to say which should be jec and which j1 imo. you could easily chop cards and shuffle them around, too. And with wsof growing into other countries, such as wsof Canada and Japan, we will see weaker but still quality j1 type of cards.
J1 should be limited here. Orgs like onefc, cage warriors , some rfa cards and then the smaller wsof and invicta cards. Etc.
As much as I like to compete on any card, even the small ones, I think j1 needs to limit the promotions it uses and truely uses the best avail to keep consistent numbers and maybe even grow some.
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I agree. I think there are maybe 3-4 WSOF cards a year and 1-2 Invicta cards to get pulled up.
I have little doubt that J-1 has to be disciplined and use OneFC, CageWarriors, RFA/AXS cards and cant get to obscurity.
 
Originally posted by: BabyA-ssassin
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:41 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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I like the idea of bringing back J1. There's enough cards from Bellator, WSOF, Invicta and AXS TV fights to make some pretty good cards. I thought about quoting JEC but knew I would regret it while watching the event and I think a lot of the JEC competitors would feel that way if there was a good Bellator or WSOF card for J1
 
Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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buffaloblue said:
I have little doubt that J-1 has to be disciplined and use OneFC, CageWarriors, RFA/AXS cards and cant get to obscurity.
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For sure. A league like j1 will always draw a minimum of so many hardcore fans even with obscure cards, but that will stray away many competitors imo.
It's simple really. Bring smaller fight cards that still bring excitement for fantasy fighters to actually want to compete in and not feel like it's a chore. Highly possible. Just need to limit events, like you pointed out. No need to put on events just because. Street fights can always be there for that.
 
Originally posted by: buffaloblue
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:48 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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coreymb said:
For sure. A league like j1 will always draw a minimum of so many hardcore fans even with obscure cards, but that will stray away many competitors imo.
It's simple really. Bring smaller fight cards that still bring excitement for fantasy fighters to actually want to compete in and not feel like it's a chore. Highly possible. Just need to limit events, like you pointed out. No need to put on events just because. Street fights can always be there for that.
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Also, I think 15 fight cards is a mistake, especially if there are other cards that weekend 9-11 fights would draw a hell of a lot more people in for J-1 imo.
 
Originally posted by: coreymb
Date: August 19, 2014 at 12:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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buffaloblue said:
Also, I think 15 fight cards is a mistake, especially if there are other cards that weekend 9-11 fights would draw a hell of a lot more people in for J-1 imo.
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For sure
J1 just needs to be stripped down, run very select events and if possible just trim the fat on certain events. Keeping it simple will still keep interest for the fighters as is and bring in some new talent hopefully.
 
Originally posted by: maggotbrain
Date: August 19, 2014 at 01:07 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-jff-jec-j-1-dynamic-open-discussion.63660/
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I understand the dynamic of the HOF has changed with more betterer belts...
but I also understand that the J1 was abolished to keep @Bowser and I out of it.
I never fought J1 or JEC on the reg but decided to to win all the belts.. I was bored and unmotivated.
I said fudge pie I might as well win em.. Lost to joegriz, as JEC champ, in JEC final.
It was obvious Id get the J1 (which would've auto qualified me at time).. Even tho I hardly fought there it was obvi..
Shortly after it was abolished.
Sure, bring that f---er back.
 
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