The NY MMA Bill: Status & Consequences

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Originally posted by: Doogie
Date: October 20, 2009 at 09:43 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Sanctioning MMA in New York
Just watched an interview with Big John McCarthy on Youtube where he makes a good point about getting MMA sanctioned in New York... he points out that the Fertitta's (who own Zuffa/UFC) also own Station Casinos, and that Station Casinos utilizes non-union labor...... Big John said that New York has been hesitant to sanction UFC because there are such strong labor ties in the political system.... hmmm, the same people in the fight biz and the union biz in NY ?? wonder who that is ??
Now, I know that Big John is not the definitive authority on the subject, but he works in the business and his perspective is just as valid as anybody else's.... but the issue he brings up strikes a chord with me... it seems like a very plausible scenario, if ya think about it.....
Anybody else think that there is some substance to this ? Any other thoughts on the delay in sanctioned MMA in New York ? I know that Dana has stated that he looks forward to selling out Madison Square Garden .... which would be a certainty.
 
Originally posted by: aesop
Date: October 20, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
I agree with John. While I don't personally know how much of a political issue it might be, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some ties between unions and politicians (i.e. lobbying) trying to keep MMA out. Maybe some people have irrational fears that a new sport in the state would mean less $$$ in the pockets of the basketball/football leagues that already bring in big bucks (although this would not necessarily be the case).
Perhaps the hesitation with sanctioning it exists because people are hung up on a dated image of MMA, circa 10 or 15 years ago: still in its infancy, not as well-regulated with rules/structure, having that weird, brutal underground "Fight Club" perception from people who weren't "hardcore" followers of it. I think MMA has evolved into a bona fide "sport" over time, as we can see today.
Look back at boxing, though, Ali-Frazier in Madison Square was huge! If you developed some star power for certain fighters like that in the mainstream (via ESPN deal, Strikeforce on NBC, etc.) MMA could put butts in all the seats without a doubt. It's definitely a venue that MMA promotions can capitalize on.
Plus, I think Mayor Doomberg (Bloomberg) would certainly relish the opportunity for increased tourism/commerce if the UFC was selling out Madison Square.
 
Originally posted by: Gutter
Date: October 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
they seem confident its going to pass early next year. apparently what keeps happening is that just before that piece of legislation gets to the table and is able to be voted on, the Assembly committee is dismissed. when that happens, any bill that hasn't gotten to the point of voting has to go all the way back through the process from square one all over again.
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: October 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
Who would headline this huge card. I think you have to be certain that either Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar, or GSP would be on the card. It would be great to see Liddell have his last fight in NY.
Thanks for the Update!
 
Originally posted by: StraightEdge
Date: October 21, 2009 at 02:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
the UFC has alot of New York/New Jersey guys that would need to be on a new york card.
Marcus Davis vs Matt Serra would be an easy sell using the Boston vs New York rivalry, thats an easy sell.
Ricardo Almeida vs Phil Baroni for obvious reasons the NYBA vs the top guy from New Yorks top school (Renzo's)
Rolles Gracie would be a good guy to get on there given his ties to Renzo.
Frankie Edgar vs Jim Miller would be a great fight to start off the PPV.
Jorge Rivera im sure would love to fight in New York throw him in with a Dan Miller and you'd get another Boston vs New York match (I know Dan's a jersey guy but you could get away with it)
Kurt Pellegrino should be on there, I personally would love to see him fight Hermes Franca after the breakup of The Armory
you could put KenFlo on there maybe instead of Hermes he could fight Pellegrino
and theres alot of good fighters up in the northeast or that have northeast ties this card could be stacked, and the UFC would sell out Madison Square Garden regardless of the headliner at this point.
 
Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: October 21, 2009 at 02:49 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
If your talking about fights in MSG just give me GSP vs Anderson Silva and I'll be complete.
 
Originally posted by: MMAdisciple24
Date: June 25, 2010 at 11:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

I saw a local news piece last week that said the NY MMA bill only had to "go through Assembly" now. I am confident it will pass but should I not be? About how long to get past the red tape and what changes will NY MMA fighters/fans see? And sorry for all the questions but if you happen to know a good deal about this, do you think UFC would ever come to the Carrier Dome in Syracuse?
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: June 26, 2010 at 01:52 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

MMAdisciple24 said:
I saw a local news piece last week that said the NY MMA bill only had to "go through Assembly" now. I am confident it will pass but should I not be? About how long to get past the red tape and what changes will NY MMA fighters/fans see? And sorry for all the questions but if you happen to know a good deal about this, do you think UFC would ever come to the Carrier Dome in Syracuse?
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I'm sure they'd go for MSG in NYC first.
The government could use the taxes. The only way I see this not passing is if the powers that run boxing feel threatened.
 
Originally posted by: MMAdisciple24
Date: June 26, 2010 at 02:01 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Thanks. I figured they'd want MSG mainly but would love if they came anywhere else in the state, MSG definitely works for me though, can't begin to imagine how big that would be...
 
Originally posted by: TheVileOne
Date: June 26, 2010 at 04:27 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

All the labor union conjecture is BS to me. New York shouldn't complain about a succesful business and company that turns a profit in a global recession that wants access to the state.
Who gives a crap? This is about bringing in businesses tourism and lots of money to the state they could really use right now.
Better UFC than their sanctimonious governor that banged a bunch of escorts and prostitutes and told the whole world with his wife on stage.
If anything, working with the UFC would repair New York's crappy political image at this point.
 
Originally posted by: Tgilb2007
Date: June 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

There are a TON of places that could host fights. One way to get Toronto/Ontario interested in a fight, is host something in Buffalo. If the officals in Toronto saw how many people flocked to Buffalo for a UFC event, espically from Toronto, it could start to open the doors there as well.
MSG is obviously a strong choice, and you could get some insane fights there. And, yea, you can sell the Boston vs NYC stuff for more strong sales, but I don't think it would be necessary. I also really do think that it could smash almost ANY gate sales record out there. The lone fact its in NYC is insane, and when you add in the high demand for a UFC event in New York, and you get a big event. Tack on a fan expo, and BOOM, its fantastic.
Albany is also another option. Couple hours from the city, getting more centrally located within the state. Get people from more towns involved, and could be a good place to hold a Fight Night card.
 
Originally posted by: Galgorian
Date: April 03, 2011 at 01:46 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Just read this great article
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/opinion/02Zinczenko.html
 
Originally posted by: thedifferencemaker
Date: April 03, 2011 at 02:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Galgorian said:
Just read this great article
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/opinion/02Zinczenko.html
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Was about to come on and post this same thing. Saw it on Men's Health Twitter. Good read!
 
Originally posted by: CopperHeart
Date: April 03, 2011 at 04:36 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

fulch211 said:
Galgorian said:
Just read this great article
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/opinion/02Zinczenko.html
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Was about to come on and post this same thing. Saw it on Men's Health Twitter. Good read!
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It helps to replicate the article.
It Only Looks Dangerous
By DAVID ZINCZENKO
MIXED martial arts is one of the fastest-growing sports in America. Yet for years the New York State Legislature has refused to sanction M.M.A. — making New York one of the last states holding out against the sport’s expansion. (Connecticut is a holdout, too.) After helping to block a clause in last year’s budget that would have legalized M.M.A., Bob Reilly, a state assemblyman, called it “a violent sport not worthy of our society.”
As the editor in chief of Men’s Health, I’d been a de facto supporter of New York’s ban by refusing to put a mixed-martial artist on the magazine’s cover — despite the entreaties of several editors and even my own brother, Eric, who trained in M.M.A. I edit a health magazine, after all, and this is a sport in which men use nearly every means available to beat one another into submission, from jujitsu to kickboxing to simply slugging one another in the face with nothing but lightly padded gloves on their hands.
But I’ve come to believe that, in fact, the New York Legislature is wrong. Mr. Reilly is wrong. And more to the point, I was wrong (an admission my brother will hold over my head as long as I live). Mixed martial arts may be a violent sport, but it is much safer than other, supposedly more civilized competitions, and New York and its fellow holdouts should finally sanction it.
We think of more traditional violent sports like boxing and football as safer in part because of the helmets and padded gloves their athletes wear, and that supposedly protect them from harm. These are, in fact, more like the equivalent of poorly designed sunscreen — “protection” that allows athletes to submit to even greater levels of punishment.
For instance, studies show that up to 40 percent of former boxers have symptoms of chronic brain injury, the result of repeated, if padded, blows to the head. And recent studies have demonstrated that most professional boxers, including the majority who show no outward signs of impairment, have some degree of brain damage.
In comparison, a 2006 Johns Hopkins study noted “a reduced risk of traumatic brain injury in M.M.A. competitions when compared to other events involving striking.” The reason is simple: Boxing’s “protective” padding, coupled with its 12-round bouts and rest periods, means the boxer is subject to dozens of brain-jostling head blows in each fight. In M.M.A., most bouts end in a wrestling match, with one opponent forcing the other into submission; only 28 percent of all M.M.A. bouts are decided by a blow to the head, according to a study published in The British Journal of Sports Medicine.
As a result, M.M.A. fighters have not only a lower risk of cognitive impairment, but of death. There have been only three fatalities in the 17-year history of American M.M.A. But we average almost that many in a single year in boxing: 129 fighters have died in American rings since 1960.
Some might argue that such statistics only make the case that boxing, too, should be banned. But what about hockey or football? Men’s Health has proudly and without controversy featured Drew Brees, Tom Brady and other N.F.L. stars on our cover — despite the fact that football and hockey combined sent 55,000 Americans to the emergency room for head injuries in 2009 alone.
Hall of Famers like Harry Carson, a former linebacker for the Giants, and Pat LaFontaine, who played center for the Islanders and the Rangers, have talked publicly, even courageously, about the physical and emotional toll of their multiple concussions. And watching 41-year-old Brett Favre dragging his swollen body onto the field week after week last season was an exercise in spectator-sport sadism.
Compare that to the Ultimate Fighting Championship, the premier M.M.A. league, where 23-year-old Jon Jones recently won the light heavyweight championship but injured his hand in the process; as a result, he is barred from competition until doctors say he has healed. In fact, fighters who suffer knockouts are suspended and barred even from sparring for three months; in the N.F.L. and N.H.L., we cheer when a player leaves the game on a stretcher and returns the next week — and even louder if he comes back the next period.
The New York State Assembly and Senate both have bills in committee that would allow M.M.A. into the state, and it only makes sense to push them through. In the meantime, I’ve changed my policy: This month Men’s Health features the U.F.C.’s reigning welterweight titleholder, Georges St-Pierre, on its cover. Sometimes the more raw and visceral a sport appears, the more humane it may actually be.
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Originally posted by: REDRUM
Date: April 03, 2011 at 08:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-ny-mma-bill-status-consequences.27174/

Re: Sanctioning MMA in New York
Doogie said:
Just watched an interview with Big John McCarthy on Youtube where he makes a good point about getting MMA sanctioned in New York... he points out that the Fertitta's (who own Zuffa/UFC) also own Station Casinos, and that Station Casinos utilizes non-union labor...... Big John said that New York has been hesitant to sanction UFC because there are such strong labor ties in the political system.... hmmm, the same people in the fight biz and the union biz in NY ?? wonder who that is ??
Now, I know that Big John is not the definitive authority on the subject, but he works in the business and his perspective is just as valid as anybody else's.... but the issue he brings up strikes a chord with me... it seems like a very plausible scenario, if ya think about it.....
Anybody else think that there is some substance to this ? Any other thoughts on the delay in sanctioned MMA in New York ? I know that Dana has stated that he looks forward to selling out Madison Square Garden .... which would be a certainty.
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there is a lot of substance to this for sure
The one or two politicians in NY that are stopping this from happening are only worrying about their own pockets... its sad
 
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