The other cast members from TUF 10..

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Originally posted by: Skeletal33
Date: December 03, 2009 at 05:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

Has anybody heard what's going to happen from the other fighters from The Ultimate Fighter Season 10...are some of them getting dropped from the UFC before even having one fight (like last season), or will some debut in 2010? I'm dissapointed that Wes Sims isn't on the Finale..

 

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Originally posted by: Marktheshark
Date: December 03, 2009 at 05:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

Skeletal33 said:
Has anybody heard what's going to happen from the other fighters from The Ultimate Fighter Season 10...are some of them getting dropped from the UFC before even having one fight (like last season), or will some debut in 2010? I'm dissapointed that Wes Sims isn't on the Finale..
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well i guess the ufc doesn't want them so since they can't let SF have them all of them have been excecuted

 

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Originally posted by: jsinsantino
Date: December 03, 2009 at 06:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

i think domico could have a bright future wish he was on the finale

 

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Originally posted by: HBK42581
Date: December 03, 2009 at 06:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

I'm not surprised that guys like Shivers, Simms and Wagner didn't get a fight at the finale. None of those dudes were impressive in their fights AT ALL. I'm a little surprised that Demico didn't at least get a fight at the finale though.

 

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Originally posted by: Skeletal33
Date: December 03, 2009 at 06:11 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

Every fighter who lost their first fight on the series (EVERY fighter on Rampage's team, except Marcus Jones - and Kimbo of course) arent on the Finale. Sucks...but some of those dudes were aweful..

 

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Originally posted by: carl258
Date: December 03, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

they are not worth the spot, they dont deserve a single fight in the ufc or strikeforce, they only deserve a fight in those two major promotions if they are for a can fight for some good figther like baroni did for amir
those guys next destination are small promotions or to serve as cans for other fighters if they ever get a fight in a big promotion, and just wait after this fight guys like jon madsen, another guy that dont deserve the fight but i guess he will serve as a can fight for wren but after that fight he follow the others for not spot in the ufc, other is james, he has no busniess in the ufc and mitrione and Darrill Schoonover dont have a place too, so for those guys it will be a one fight and out, or serve as a can for others that need a win badly
kimbo saves his spot for his name but as a figther well lets see what he can do with alexander
the only guys that deserve the spot in the ufc are shaub, roy and marcus jones based on skills and kimbo based on selling some pay per views stuffs or ratings

 

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Originally posted by: Fiji_Matt
Date: December 03, 2009 at 06:17 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

I agree wtih jsin and HBK. Can't believe that they didn't give Demico a shot at the finals. Guy was doing well against Schaub and made a mistake. Looked really talented for not being in the sport for a long time. Hope he gets picked up by SF or the UFC puts him on a later card. I doubt the latter one though.

 

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Originally posted by: dwhitty
Date: December 03, 2009 at 09:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

Add one more to the Demico bandwagon... The kid seemed to have real talent, even though he was a little raw on the show. He's from my neck of the woods, and although I haven't had any personal interactions with him, acquaintances who know him before TUF all seem to indicate that he's a good, down to earth guy to boot. I have no doubt that he could've beaten Schaub is his first fight with a little more training, and I'd bet that he would've been successful if he'd had any coach other than Rampage. To me, it almost seemed like he was trying too hard to do what the coaches were yelling at him instead of going with his bread and butter (which was working).

 

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Originally posted by: AdamChance
Date: December 04, 2009 at 08:16 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

i agree as well, what would have been wrong with demico vs abe?

 

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Originally posted by: JunkieDog
Date: December 04, 2009 at 09:37 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

dwhitty said:
Add one more to the Demico bandwagon... The kid seemed to have real talent, even though he was a little raw on the show. He's from my neck of the woods, and although I haven't had any personal interactions with him, acquaintances who know him before TUF all seem to indicate that he's a good, down to earth guy to boot. I have no doubt that he could've beaten Schaub is his first fight with a little more training, and I'd bet that he would've been successful
if he'd had any coach other than Rampage.
To me, it almost seemed like he was trying too hard to do what the coaches were yelling at him instead of going with his bread and butter (which was working).
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I've never seen SO much s--- blamed on a coach before! Page and Rashad were just one of MANY coaches these fighters had on the show and besides that, it was only SIX weeks out of however long they've each had in MMA overall. In other words, if you weren't already a good fighter before you got there, nothing Rampage or Rashad were going to teach you in a couple weeks was gonna change anything! Those first round fights happened after two weeks at most!
Does anyone really believe that if everything else stayed the same except Rashad and Rampage swapped places once the teams were picked, that it would have ended up the opposite?? Would Shaub have lost his first fight had he been coached by Rampage?
Would Kimbo have beaten Roy in their first round fight with Rashad training him??
Let me guess, Wes Sims would have put on the performance of a lifetime had Rashad been his coach? The only reason he flaked out and got subbed looking like an amateur in the process, is because of Rampage Jackson?? :shock: Zack ends up a world beater with just a wave of the magic Rashad wand?? :lol:
Face it, Rashad had the better fighters from the get go then he had the added benefit of choosing 6 out of the 8 first round match ups!! Did anyone think he was going to choose the match ups that most favored Team Rampage?? No, of course not.
Want to know what had as much to do with this season as ANYthing?? That initial coin toss! If that coin toss goes the other way, almost everything ends up differently to at least SOME extent.

 

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Originally posted by: buckhunter620
Date: December 04, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

HBK42581 said:
I'm not surprised that guys like Shivers, Simms and Wagner didn't get a fight at the finale. None of those dudes were impressive in their fights AT ALL. I'm a little surprised that Demico didn't at least get a fight at the finale though.
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Wes Shivers may not have looked real impressive, but he won
both
rounds in his first fight against McSweeney

 

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Originally posted by: carl258
Date: December 04, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

buckhunter620 said:
HBK42581 said:
I'm not surprised that guys like Shivers, Simms and Wagner didn't get a fight at the finale. None of those dudes were impressive in their fights AT ALL. I'm a little surprised that Demico didn't at least get a fight at the finale though.
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Wes Shivers may not have looked real impressive, but he won
both
rounds in his first fight against McSweeney
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that was the most pathetic fight i ever see in my life, both guys gas out so badly, and mcsweeney won that fight only because he was the guy that gas out less but still he gas out so bad, shivers was so tired that it was so hard to think that guy was actually a draft pick at some point in his live in the nfl, so patethic that fight was the worse this season

 

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Originally posted by: Moranis
Date: December 04, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

JunkieDog said:
dwhitty said:
Add one more to the Demico bandwagon... The kid seemed to have real talent, even though he was a little raw on the show. He's from my neck of the woods, and although I haven't had any personal interactions with him, acquaintances who know him before TUF all seem to indicate that he's a good, down to earth guy to boot. I have no doubt that he could've beaten Schaub is his first fight with a little more training, and I'd bet that he would've been successful
if he'd had any coach other than Rampage.
To me, it almost seemed like he was trying too hard to do what the coaches were yelling at him instead of going with his bread and butter (which was working).
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I've never seen SO much s**t blamed on a coach before! Page and Rashad were just one of MANY coaches these fighters had on the show and besides that, it was only SIX weeks out of however long they've each had in MMA overall. In other words, if you weren't already a good fighter before you got there, nothing Rampage or Rashad were going to teach you in a couple weeks was gonna change anything! Those first round fights happened after two weeks at most!
Does anyone really believe that if everything else stayed the same except Rashad and Rampage swapped places once the teams were picked, that it would have ended up the opposite?? Would Shaub have lost his first fight had he been coached by Rampage?
Would Kimbo have beaten Roy in their first round fight with Rashad training him??
Let me guess, Wes Sims would have put on the performance of a lifetime had Rashad been his coach? The only reason he flaked out and got subbed looking like an amateur in the process, is because of Rampage Jackson?? :shock: Zack ends up a world beater with just a wave of the magic Rashad wand?? :lol:
Face it, Rashad had the better fighters from the get go then he had the added benefit of choosing 6 out of the 8 first round match ups!! Did anyone think he was going to choose the match ups that most favored Team Rampage?? No, of course not.
Want to know what had as much to do with this season as ANYthing?? That initial coin toss! If that coin toss goes the other way, almost everything ends up differently to at least SOME extent.
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Rampage had terrible fight selections to start the show. I firmly believe that had Rashad had Rampage's team and the first two fight selections, Rampage's team wins more then 1 first round fight. Rampage just did an awful job picking fights.

 

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Originally posted by: dwhitty
Date: December 04, 2009 at 08:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-other-cast-members-from-tuf-10.19975/

JunkieDog -- I'm not saying that Rashad's team was so successful just because of the coaching; as other folks have pointed out, the biggest factor was just fighter picks, and coaching had only a small role. I do think, however, that Demico may have been unique in that he seemed to be trying very hard to learn from and listen to his coaches. The coaching doesn't determine whether a fighter has a solid skill set or not, but it can be an X-factor when it comes to guys who are eager to learn and take direction. I think anyone can agree that Demico's fight with Schaub was at the very least competetive -- he was having a great deal of success early on, and even Rampage admitted that he faltered when he tried to do all the things his corner was yelling at him. I think that if he'd been given enough personal attention to learn 1 or 2 new skills/moves AND had a corner that was giving advice based on his strengths rather than the one size fits all stuff Rampage was giving, he would've been more successful. I saw no reason to believe that it was simply impossible for Demico to be Schaub, and given how hard he tried to take his corner's advice, I think better coaching could've made the difference. YMMV, but don't think I'm trying to say that this season turned out the way it did just because of the coaches. I just mean that this
specific
fight was close enough that a good gameplan could have changed the outcome.
ETA: And to answer your question, no, I don't think coaching would've made the slightest difference in the Nelson/Slice fight. I saw nothing from Slice that indicated that he has the tools and skill to beat Nelson, and even if he had the most insightful, clear cornering ever, he wouldn't have had the skills to follow a plan that would beat Nelson.