the reem vs lesnar?

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 05:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

Freeride said:
^^^Are you saying a 3x jiu jitsu world champion take downs are as good as a NCAA wrestling champion take downs? Come on bro. They just don't even compair when it comes to take downs!!
We all know that if a MMA guys went to fight in K1 or boxing most would loose. Why would it be any different the other way around? K1 guys have never faired well in MMA.
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Man, there are a lot of things happening outside USA, not only NCAA.
It's not about the discipline, it's more about the person. And a 3x world champion is somebody with tools and skills FAR AWAY than almost everybody in that game.
A LOT of people can be champion one time. To be
world
champion 3x is not avaliable for everybody. They are not as good as their discipline can be. They go beyond, learning from theirselves.
And switching mma to k1, I was talking about the sentence "big muscles don't make great fighters" AO is a great fighter, you are not a fighter because you do mma or kickboxing, you are a fighter, and then you choose what to do.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: roostproof
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
Freeride said:
^^^Are you saying a 3x jiu jitsu world champion take downs are as good as a NCAA wrestling champion take downs? Come on bro. They just don't even compair when it comes to take downs!!
We all know that if a MMA guys went to fight in K1 or boxing most would loose. Why would it be any different the other way around? K1 guys have never faired well in MMA.
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Man, there are a lot of things happening outside USA, not only NCAA.
It's not about the discipline, it's more about the person. And a 3x world champion is somebody with tools and skills FAR AWAY than almost everybody in that game.
A LOT of people can be champion one time. To be
world
champion 3x is not avaliable for everybody. They are not as good as their discipline can be. They go beyond, learning from theirselves.
And switching mma to k1, I was talking about the sentence "big muscles don't make great fighters" AO is a great fighter, you are not a fighter because you do mma or kickboxing, you are a fighter, and then you choose what to do.
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What I meant by that was, muscles are the most impressive thing AO's got. What has he done that is so great in MMA? PLEASE someone tell me PLEASE!!! Also Werdum with all those BJJ championships wheres his MMA title at??? Pure striking and pure BJJ does not make a MMA champion. There is a lot more involved..

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:09 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
And how is lesnar going to do that? With his running elephant style? AO is 2x a wall than cain was.
And in his last fight AO was simply following his gameplan, and that not included a ground game with probably the best hw in the ground technically speaking
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Because Alistair has lacked takedown defense against fighters such as Shogun and Rogerio Nogueira.
Size doesn't mean much when it comes to technique. Overeem is very strong, but I think Lesnar might be the one fighter that is stronger then "The Demolition Man".
I'm not disagreeing that Overeem was using a gameplan against Werdum, but I really do not see any significance with the Werdum fight and a possible fight with Lesnar. The only similarity you can bring in from the Overeem/Werdum fight is that Alistair looked extremely gassed, which is not good seeing as he'd be going against a relentless pace against Brock.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

smfowns4 said:
BrainBT said:
And how is lesnar going to do that? With his running elephant style? AO is 2x a wall than cain was.
And in his last fight AO was simply following his gameplan, and that not included a ground game with probably the best hw in the ground technically speaking
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Because Alistair has lacked takedown defense against fighters such as Shogun and Rogerio Nogueira.
Size doesn't mean much when it comes to technique. Overeem is very strong, but I think Lesnar might be the one fighter that is stronger then "The Demolition Man".
I'm not disagreeing that Overeem was using a gameplan against Werdum, but I really do not see any significance with the Werdum fight and a possible fight with Lesnar. The only similarity you can bring in from the Overeem/Werdum fight is that Alistair looked extremely gassed, which is not good seeing as he'd be going against a relentless pace against Brock.
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+1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

roostproof said:
BrainBT said:
Freeride said:
^^^Are you saying a 3x jiu jitsu world champion take downs are as good as a NCAA wrestling champion take downs? Come on bro. They just don't even compair when it comes to take downs!!
We all know that if a MMA guys went to fight in K1 or boxing most would loose. Why would it be any different the other way around? K1 guys have never faired well in MMA.
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Man, there are a lot of things happening outside USA, not only NCAA.
It's not about the discipline, it's more about the person. And a 3x world champion is somebody with tools and skills FAR AWAY than almost everybody in that game.
A LOT of people can be champion one time. To be
world
champion 3x is not avaliable for everybody. They are not as good as their discipline can be. They go beyond, learning from theirselves.
And switching mma to k1, I was talking about the sentence "big muscles don't make great fighters" AO is a great fighter, you are not a fighter because you do mma or kickboxing, you are a fighter, and then you choose what to do.
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What I meant by that was, muscles are the most impressive thing AO's got. What has he done that is so great in MMA? PLEASE someone tell me PLEASE!!! Also Werdum with all those BJJ championships wheres his MMA title at??? Pure striking and pure BJJ does not make a MMA champion. There is a lot more involved..
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both fought in MMA almost by "hobby", AO is now focused in MMA. But they were not full MMA fighters

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: roostproof
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

Psychoicum what are you talking about? MMA has made great strides. You have to be well rounded to be a champ just like all the champions are. One dimensional fighters have not done anything lately in MMA. Just watch some fights from the first days of MMA and tell me the sport has not progressed drastically...
:roll:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

^^^ ya.......its nice to see a guy with damn near 50 pro fights consider MMA a "hobby"

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
both fought in MMA almost by "hobby", AO is now focused in MMA. But they were not full MMA fighters
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With all due respect, how do you expect me to take your argument serious when you state that the former UFC Heavyweight champion and the current Strikeforce Heavyweight champion were not "full MMA fighters"? That's ridiculous.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:35 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

smfowns4 said:
BrainBT said:
And how is lesnar going to do that? With his running elephant style? AO is 2x a wall than cain was.
And in his last fight AO was simply following his gameplan, and that not included a ground game with probably the best hw in the ground technically speaking
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Because Alistair has lacked takedown defense against fighters such as Shogun and Rogerio Nogueira.
Size doesn't mean much when it comes to technique. Overeem is very strong, but I think Lesnar might be the one fighter that is stronger then "The Demolition Man".
I'm not disagreeing that Overeem was using a gameplan against Werdum, but I really do not see any significance with the Werdum fight and a possible fight with Lesnar. The only similarity you can bring in from the Overeem/Werdum fight is that Alistair looked extremely gassed, which is not good seeing as he'd be going against a relentless pace against Brock.
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Of course Lesnar must be better in the ground than AO, but he is different, for example, than werdum.
Lesnar is much more "controllable" than Werdum, he is much muscled, slower, etc. Werdum can submit you everytime, in almost every position, with outstanding technique. He is much more dangerous in technical submitting terms, much more sneaky. Lesnar has more GnP power, he uses his raw power much more than his wrestling itself, and against somebody that uses his raw power too, everything balances out

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
Of course Lesnar must be better in the ground than AO, but he is different, for example, than werdum.
Lesnar is much more "controllable" than Werdum, he is much muscled, slower, etc. Werdum can submit you everytime, in almost every position, with outstanding technique. He is much more dangerous in technical submitting terms, much more sneaky. Lesnar has more GnP power, he uses his raw power much more than his wrestling itself, and against somebody that uses his raw power too, everything balances out
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You are completely wrong in my opinion.
Lesnar is not more controllable at all compared to Werdum. Werdum is very slow and I believe as long as you make sure you're being very patient, you could probably land some solid shots while in Werdum's guard. Lesnar is like a freak and has relentless ground and pound that looks deadly to be completely honest. Also, how do you figure that Werdum is faster then Lesnar? That's crazy. Brock is probably one of the quickest and most athletic fighters in the history of the division. That along with his size is what makes it scary.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:47 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

roostproof said:
Psychoicum what are you talking about? MMA has made great strides. You have to be well rounded to be a champ just like all the champions are. One dimensional fighters have not done anything lately in MMA. Just watch some fights from the first days of MMA and tell me the sport has not progressed drastically...
:roll:
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It has but the game will be different in 2 years as it was 2 years ago.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:48 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

smfowns4 said:
BrainBT said:
both fought in MMA almost by "hobby", AO is now focused in MMA. But they were not full MMA fighters
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With all due respect, how do you expect me to take your argument serious when you state that the former UFC Heavyweight champion and the current Strikeforce Heavyweight champion were not "full MMA fighters"? That's ridiculous.
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No, they were not since they dedicated long periods of time to different disciplines. Which, at this level, requires different training, mentally and phisically.
If you do Karate and then you do taekwondo, you are not a full karate fighter.
And Alistair Overeem said many times after K1 championship that he was focusing on MMA, said by him, not by me.
And I can't remember when FW was UFC HW champion, please refresh me.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: roostproof
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
smfowns4 said:
BrainBT said:
both fought in MMA almost by "hobby", AO is now focused in MMA. But they were not full MMA fighters
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With all due respect, how do you expect me to take your argument serious when you state that the former UFC Heavyweight champion and the current Strikeforce Heavyweight champion were not "full MMA fighters"? That's ridiculous.
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No, they were not since they dedicated long periods of time to different disciplines. Which, at this level, requires different training, mentally and phisically.
If you do Karate and then you do taekwondo, you are not a full karate fighter.
And Alistair Overeem said many times after K1 championship that he was focusing on MMA, said by him, not by me.
And I can't remember when FW was UFC HW champion, please refresh me.
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Im pretty sure he was talking about Brock not Werdum..

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

Lesnar athletic? sorry mate we have different visions of "athleticism"I think you mix "sportsman" with "athlete".
Athletes are much much much more in shape, much much much less fat, much less weight, etc.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

BrainBT said:
Lesnar athletic? sorry mate we have different visions of "athleticism"
He is an athlet like weight lifters are, and they are not very athletic at all.
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Uhm, are you forgetting this guy was a wrestling champion and actually weekly did WWE events. He also did a moonsault off the top rope in Wrestlemania. He played NFL Football for the Minnesota Vikings before he got cut for being
too rough in training camp.
But you're right, I guess Lesnar isn't athletic... :roll:

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: roostproof
Date: August 17, 2011 at 06:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

smfowns4 said:
BrainBT said:
Lesnar athletic? sorry mate we have different visions of "athleticism"
He is an athlet like weight lifters are, and they are not very athletic at all.
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Uhm, are you forgetting this guy was a wrestling champion and actually weekly did WWE events. He also did a moonsault off the top rope in Wrestlemania. He played NFL Football for the Minnesota Vikings before he got cut for being
too rough in training camp.
But you're right, I guess Lesnar isn't athletic... :roll:
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LOL +1 smfowns4. He is not athletic at all. :?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 07:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

roostproof said:
Im pretty sure he was talking about Brock not Werdum..
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I was talking about AO and Werdum, not about brock (and then he replied)
AO and Werdum have never been full MMA training and competing, timeline talking

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: GOODNIGHTIRENE
Date: August 17, 2011 at 07:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

this would probably be the easiest fight to bet on ever. i would bet everything i own on teh reem

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: smfowns4
Date: August 17, 2011 at 07:03 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

GOODNIGHTIRENE said:
this would probably be the easiest fight to bet on ever. i would bet everything i own on teh reem
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Pfft. I'd take a bet against Reem all day in this fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BrainBT
Date: August 17, 2011 at 07:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/the-reem-vs-lesnar.41331/

One thing is clear, first AO PPV would be a top seller if the right opponent is matched. guaranteed.