To Dethrone Jones You Need But One Man

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Originally posted by: jsinsantino
Date: April 23, 2012 at 07:04 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

By Lewis Mckeever:
Long, wired and lanky in frame, with legs bare and thin like matchsticks. No, this isn’t the portrayal of a Jon Jones duplicate co-existing in the realms of an obscure alternate universe; this is the description of the best pound for pound fighter to ever grace Mixed Martial Arts competition. Anderson “The Spider” Silva is the only man capable of cracking the puzzle that is Jon “Bones” Jones.
Rashad Evans was touted as Jon Jones’ most challenging and personal obstacle to date, but instead, we witnessed the Blackzillian representative enter the octagon as a lifeless sparring dummy. Besides the two brief glimmers of success in rounds 1 and 3, where Rashad clipped Jones with a head kick and a looping over hand right, Jones decided to use his long-time rival as a tool for target practice. Greg Jackson’s prized possession exhibited a barrage of flamboyant striking techniques, tagging his former team mate with an array of kicks, elbows, knees and even shoulder stomps (oh the joys of watching Jon Jones continue to innovate his game).
Dan Henderson is next on the hit list. As much admiration as I have for the former Greco-Roman Olympian, I just can’t see how Hendo’s skill set meets the desired criteria for neutralising Jon Jones. On paper, things don’t look too shabby. Combining the legendary “H-Bomb” with Olympic level wrestling credentials is an appetite for destruction. The problem is fights don’t always play out like they appear on paper.
Although Dan is a proud owner of some of the most decorated wrestling accolades in the sport, they haven’t quite converted over to the MMA sphere as well as one would have imagined. How does an Olympic tier Greco-Roman specialist proceed to lose clinch based grappling exchanges against Shogun Rua? With all due respect to the former Chute Box berserker, Mauricio has never been renowned for his wrestling dexterity. As much as I loathe reminding myself, l also can’t just erase the Jake Shields fight from my database either.
Whenever I attempt to visualise the Jones/Henderson spectacle in my head, disturbing flashes of Jon Jones reigning down those signature elbows on a turtled up Dan Henderson corrupt my mind. Sorry Dan, but the H-Bomb, out dated wrestling credentials and a sub-par gas task just don’t cut it.
After Jones disposes of Hendo and “The Spider” tangles up Chael Sonnen into his web with another submission (or knocks his head into the upper tier rows of the arena), we, as fans, could be treated to one of the greatest showdowns in MMA history.
Anderson Silva has proven to be a deadly force in the 205 pound weight division. Although some time ago now, it’s impossible to forget the Matrix esque performance Anderson dazzled the MMA universe with against Forrest Griffin at UFC 101. Also worthy of note was his obliteration of James “The Sandman” Irvin.
One of the leading hindrances which Jon Jones’ opponents can never seem to wrap their heads around is the overwhelming reach advantage he utilizes so effectively. Stifling his foes with such a dynamic variation of striking attacks is one of Jones’ most prized assets, that and his overwhelming power in the clinch and on the ground. Black House ring leader Anderson Silva however, is a man all too familiar with the range, distance and striking game.
Jon Jones admits to mimicking Anderson Silva in the octagon, but right now, he still isn’t close to reaching the guru like levels of Anderson Silva’s stand up. “The Spider” possesses video game like timing and pinpoint accuracy with each and every strike he commits to. His understanding of distance and range is unheard of in MMA. The variation of strikes he utilises is also some-what awe inspiring. He can switch up his offense on the fly, employing either a Muay Thai based attack or shifting to a more boxing orientated approach. Jon Jones would be the one confused and stunned by Anderson Silva’s application of striking.
The middleweight champ is also as crafty as a rattle snake on the ground. While holes may be present in the wrestling and take down defence departments, Anderson makes up for such flaws with his cunning guard and submission skills. That’s the real talking point of this potential match-up. The question isn’t whether Mr Silva can adapt to Jon’s reach advantage, but whether his Brazilian Jujitsu prowess is strong enough to fend off Jones’ ruthless ground and pound assault. If Anderson is in fact capable of counteracting Jon’s nightmare like elbows on the ground, and is able to force the fight back to the feet, then “Bones” may very well be entering an entire world of pain.
 
Originally posted by: holmezy
Date: April 23, 2012 at 08:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Silva is definitely JBJ's biggest threat excluding HW's if he were to make the move back up. AS is by far the better striker regardless of JBJ's size/reach and his BJJ skill exceeds that of Jones, Jon obviously is the better wrestler with brutal GnP and really his only chance in this fight is taking down Silva and either controlling him to a UD or pounding him out.
Silva could sub jones, he could knock Jones out, he could dance around him all night long to a decision. This would be Silva's fight to win imho.
This is also coming from someone who is a JBJ fan, I never hate on him and always love seeing him destroy people however Silva is in a league of his own and Jones is not there yet.
 
Originally posted by: itadakimasu
Date: April 23, 2012 at 09:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

This is the fight I want to see.
Both guys have cleaned out their respective divisions. This would be the greatest fight of all time.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: April 23, 2012 at 09:47 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

huge fan of both.........more so of Anderson Silva and would love to see this fight
pretty sure Jones would win but i think its all dependent on his sub defense..........
 
Originally posted by: Knippz
Date: April 23, 2012 at 09:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

holmezy said:
Silva is definitely JBJ's biggest threat excluding HW's if he were to make the move back up. AS is by far the better striker regardless of JBJ's size/reach and his BJJ skill exceeds that of Jones, Jon obviously is the better wrestler with brutal GnP and really his only chance in this fight is taking down Silva and either controlling him to a UD or pounding him out.
Silva could sub jones, he could knock Jones out, he could dance around him all night long to a decision. This would be Silva's fight to win imho.
This is also coming from someone who is a JBJ fan, I never hate on him and always love seeing him destroy people however Silva is in a league of his own and Jones is not there yet.
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Pretty much all of this. I think Andy would TKO him in the first...maybe 2nd.
 
Originally posted by: Skeetnl
Date: April 23, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

I hope this fight happens, Anderson kept talking he wanted GSP to come up for a superfight, now he himself can go up for 1.
 
Originally posted by: diddy
Date: April 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Silva, JDS, Cain, Overeem.
No one else has even a prayer. Dan Henderson? Come on. No chance.
 
Originally posted by: silent_nick
Date: April 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

I totally thought this was going to be the comeback of the Rob Emerson jokes.
 
Originally posted by: Aldo_superfan26
Date: April 23, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

after watching the evans fight im 100% sure silva could do it his striking is leagues a head of jones hendo could do it too if he lands one of those rights
 
Originally posted by: BanditoMMA
Date: April 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

If Jones beats Hendo, and Anderson beats Chael then I want to see that Superfight!!!
I will stand in line overnight, in the snow, soaking wet, and standing beside Joe Rogan the entire time in order to see that fight!!!
 
Originally posted by: Flound
Date: April 23, 2012 at 02:29 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

At this point, I want Jones against Gustaffason or Davis (after Hendo). Not that I think either necessarily has a good shot at beating Jones per se, but I would really like to see how Bones fares against someone with length and size similar to his own.
On rewatching the fight, I wasn't overly impressed with Jones' strking technique - don't get me wrong, highly effective against Evans, but frankly, I thought he looked sloppy at times. There were more than a few times when distance was the only thing that prevented him from paying for that periodic sloppiness.
(by the way, I was impressed, but not overly so. All huggers can relax - I was still impressed.)
 
Originally posted by: CF3
Date: April 23, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

This fight will never happen cause nether guy wants to lose.
 
Originally posted by: bjj_rage
Date: April 23, 2012 at 05:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Nop.
While AS represents the biggest challenge for jones, that does not means he has a good shot. He actually doesnt... AS could outstrike Jones (as he looked human against Rashad and Lyoto) the problem is, he has to keep it up, Jones is just Way too big and powerful, as too good of a wrestler to even think AS will be able to keep the fight there against him, and on the ground, yeah, AS bjj is good, problem is, no bjj training will be able to stop Jones to elbow his head into hell...
At 205, Lyoto has a better shot than AS, and so does Rashad, anyone who can keep the stading will do better than him, that doesnt mean those guys will beat AS, AS will probably walk through them though.
Call me crazy, but there is one guy that has a legit change in the MWd, evethough very slim, his name is rousimar palhares.
 
Originally posted by: 67goat
Date: April 23, 2012 at 07:08 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

If AS can beat Jones, how much longer will that be true? Jones looks better every fight. I have often said in the past the difference in their striking is that AS aims and hits pill sized targets while Jones aims at a 6x6 square, the difference between a Star Trek transporter and a box thrown out the back of a cargo plane with a parachute attached to it. But Jones' striking this weekend showed significant improvement in the fine accuracy department. If AS can beat him now, how much longer before that chance is gone?
I was thinking Paul Harris this weekend as well. If ever there was a set of legs that should be easy to grab....
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: April 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Anderson would get slapped around like a red head step child
 
Originally posted by: wolf
Date: April 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

I think Silva could....cause Silva could KO anyone. I would never count Silva out of a fight. To do so would be insane, even against a HW fighter. The dude just has that good of hands, feet, elbows, knees...etc.
Jones would be his toughest fight to date hands down though.
 
Originally posted by: PsychoIcon
Date: April 23, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Hitman21 said:
Anderson would get slapped around like a red head step child
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+1, I dont think Bones stands with him until after he beats him up on the ground and in the clinch... After he wears him down with his superior wrestling.
 
Originally posted by: ShOgUnRuAAA
Date: April 23, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Silva is the goat when it comes to striking. Jones stands with him, he done. If he takes him down, Silva might be done.
 
Originally posted by: mma_guru333
Date: April 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/to-dethrone-jones-you-need-but-one-man.46260/

Flound said:
On rewatching the fight, I wasn't overly impressed with Jones' strking technique - don't get me wrong, highly effective against Evans, but frankly, I thought he looked sloppy at times. There were more than a few times when distance was the only thing that prevented him from paying for that periodic sloppiness.
(by the way, I was impressed, but not overly so. All huggers can relax - I was still impressed.)
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His striking technique is good, but not great, but he makes up for that because he uses his length perfectly. He's absolutely amazing at keeping the fight in his range (which happens to be no one else's range).
As far as the OP goes, I think Jones would stomp Silva at this point in their careers.
It'll never happen though, Anderson doesn't want none of that.
 
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