UFC..I don't buy it...from: a fan since UFC 1

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: monteaz
Date: December 07, 2009 at 07:51 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

1. I don't buy Chuck vs. Tito. UFC made its mark on the world being ahead of the curve and breaking the mold. This is such a tired irrelevant match up. TUF 1 was Chuck vs. Randy, and it mattered. At the end they fought for a lhw title. Who is the winner of this fight going to fight? Who cares?
2. I don't buy Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman. Randy, Chuck, Tito, and Mark should all be in the UFC to build up the next generation of young fighters. Not to be passed around to each other so that the casual fan think they are relevant. Either be the best, or fade out gracefully. Whats wrong with these guys fighting up n' comers like Joe Jones, Ryan Bader or even the Keith Jardines or the world. Young guys cannot become the future stars without being tested against the old timers.
3. I don't buy Kimbo. Ya, he finally beat a pro MMA fighter in Houston Alexander and totally proved me wrong, but the guy is 35yrs. old and is noting more than a sideshow. He is not a monster puncher, and will not have a successful run no matter how taylor made his opponents are. He does get the casual view more interested in the sport, but he brings little to the sport.
4. I have almost every UFC PPV since the beginning, and am a total mma junkie, but I do not like the direction that the UFC is going. Let the best fight the best. No! Make the best fight the best and stop trying to ride the coat tails of all the ole' timers to grow your business.

 

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Originally posted by: rocklobster
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:00 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

I would much rather see Tito and Chuck tied up in that show than a champ and a #1 contender. I hate when fighters get tied up for months because of TUF. Let two "old timers" that are entertaining and irrelevant do the show. The focus should be on the fighters anyway.
Who cares how much Kimbo brings to the sports. There are a lot of people that want to see him fight for some reason and he jumped through the hoops he had to and got a fight in the UFC and won it. Good for him. Houston should get the boot before Kimbo for that embarassing performance he put on.
Randy has earned his keep already, let him fight whoever he wants.

 

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Originally posted by: Prosperityy
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

Rather see Forrest and Tito as coaches than Chuck and Tito. Chuck is 2-0 vs Tito, whereas Forrest and Tito are all squared. Then they can then setup a Chuck vs Kimbo fight.
But instead of fighters as coaches I'd rather have camps, like Jackson's vs AKA or something like that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ballsout
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:18 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

I see no better options for coaches than Tito and Chuck. Seems the right choice to me

 

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Originally posted by: Moe-Biggs
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

I wish people would stop using the "better Tito vs. Chuck than tying up a contender" excuse.. so what, it doesn't change the fact that it's lame and it's a fight nobody cares about. The worst part though is the fact that Dana actually said on live TV that it was due to overwhelming demand from the fans, shameless..

 

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Originally posted by: royce
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

+10000, my thoughts exactly.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Roclawzi
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:25 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

monteaz said:
1. I don't buy Chuck vs. Tito. UFC made its mark on the world being ahead of the curve and breaking the mold. This is such a tired irrelevant match up. TUF 1 was Chuck vs. Randy, and it mattered. At the end they fought for a lhw title. Who is the winner of this fight going to fight? Who cares?
2. I don't buy Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman. Randy, Chuck, Tito, and Mark should all be in the UFC to build up the next generation of young fighters. Not to be passed around to each other so that the casual fan think they are relevant. Either be the best, or fade out gracefully. Whats wrong with these guys fighting up n' comers like Joe Jones, Ryan Bader or even the Keith Jardines or the world. Young guys cannot become the future stars without being tested against the old timers.
3. I don't buy Kimbo. Ya, he finally beat a pro MMA fighter in Houston Alexander and totally proved me wrong, but the guy is 35yrs. old and is noting more than a sideshow. He is not a monster puncher, and will not have a successful run no matter how taylor made his opponents are. He does get the casual view more interested in the sport, but he brings little to the sport.
4. I have almost every UFC PPV since the beginning, and am a total mma junkie, but I do not like the direction that the UFC is going. Let the best fight the best. No! Make the best fight the best and stop trying to ride the coat tails of all the ole' timers to grow your business.
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1.Chuck and Tito will still draw a crowd, and after 11 seasons of TUF, that's about as much as you can hope. Chuck doesn't have a ton of fights left in him, probably, and getting a season of TUF out of him will do well for the UFC. Did Bisping/Hendo mean anything?
2.Up n' comers like Joe Jones (Jon Jones, I assume? Nothing says hardcore fan like not knowing the guy's name when the guy has been making headlines for 24 hours), Ryan Bader (with his scintillating UDs including against Red Schafer, who doesn't have fights go to decision), and Keith Jardine (34 years old, what's he coming up to, a mid-life crisis?). Well, let's see, Jon Jones is already a star at this point. He's likely got two more fights to a title shot. Bader is not anything yet. He's got a lot to prove and he's not going to prove it trying to hold down Liddell for 3 rounds and he wouldn't be able to hold down Couture.. And Jardine has fought a who's who of the division, don't cry for him.
3.That was always the line with Kimbo, he'll draw but he's got a lot to prove about being a legit fighter. He wasn't ever intended to bring anything to the sport.
4.The best do fight the best, the old timers aren't getting title shots without earning them. Who was the last "old timer" in a title fight, besides Couture losing it Lesnar?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

I can see not buying those decisions. I'm not going to argue. I didn't buy Ortiz/Griffin, wouldn't buy Coleman/Couture as a co main event. care less about Liddell/Ortiz 3. Kimbo is fine if he is free and it's far down the card.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ballsout
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

Two aging MMA stars with a history. You're forgetting that TUF is for the casuals and the NOOBS, not people wh hang out on MMA forums. I don't watch TUF but I sure offer my opinion on things I can, such as coaching decisions.
This is the best decision for coaching. You fans are the one who influenced the UFC to make this decision whining about titles being held up and superstars on the shelf and promises not fufilled by certain fighters.
So the UFC gives the hardcore fans exactly what they want and the boo hooing continues.
And for those who think Tito is washed up, just remember how bad Shogun looked after his first fight back after surgeries and a long layoff. NO I am not saying tito will be at that level, but he will surprise the same people who whined that Shogun was washed up and "Machida by rape" posters.
chuck is old, slow and likes hookers n blow to much. I'm taking tito in the third fight.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Jak
Date: December 07, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

ballsout said:
This is the best decision for coaching. You fans are the one who influenced the UFC to make this decision whining about titles being held up and superstars on the shelf and promises not fufilled by certain fighters.
So the UFC gives the hardcore fans exactly what they want and the boo hooing continues.
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That's awesome. A great reason why letting the internet fodder not being an influence is a good idea, is perfectly shown in this example. Well done.

 

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Originally posted by: wolf
Date: December 07, 2009 at 09:16 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

monteaz said:
1. I don't buy Chuck vs. Tito. UFC made its mark on the world being ahead of the curve and breaking the mold. This is such a tired irrelevant match up. TUF 1 was Chuck vs. Randy, and it mattered. At the end they fought for a lhw title. Who is the winner of this fight going to fight? Who cares?
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I like this only because it will be good for TV, they'are good caoches, and they hate eachother. Plus it doesn't tie up the already lacking Championship bouts. Do I care to see them fight again? No, but like I said, it's good for TV so i'm ok with it.
2. I don't buy Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman. Randy, Chuck, Tito, and Mark should all be in the UFC to build up the next generation of young fighters. Not to be passed around to each other so that the casual fan think they are relevant. Either be the best, or fade out gracefully. Whats wrong with these guys fighting up n' comers like Joe Jones, Ryan Bader or even the Keith Jardines or the world. Young guys cannot become the future stars without being tested against the old timers.
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I like the Couture vs Coleman matchup because it was supposed to happen before and didn't. I like Legends fights. I agree that the old guys should fight the young guys, but i think we all know the old guys will mostly lose to the young guys. I'm ok with these kind of fights happening sometimes, but I agree and don't want to watch the old guys fight eachother forever.
3. I don't buy Kimbo. Ya, he finally beat a pro MMA fighter in Houston Alexander and totally proved me wrong, but the guy is 35yrs. old and is noting more than a sideshow. He is not a monster puncher, and will not have a successful run no matter how taylor made his opponents are. He does get the casual view more interested in the sport, but he brings little to the sport.
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I totally agree.
4. I have almost every UFC PPV since the beginning, and am a total mma junkie, but I do not like the direction that the UFC is going. Let the best fight the best. No! Make the best fight the best and stop trying to ride the coat tails of all the ole' timers to grow your business.
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I see where you're coming from, but you shouldn't be too upset. Some of the things happening now will get righted in the future. The UFC is all about what the fans want, and they'll get it right. But damn right, let the best fight the best!
ballsout said:
Two aging MMA stars with a history. You're forgetting that TUF is for the casuals and the NOOBS, not people wh hang out on MMA forums. I don't watch TUF but I sure offer my opinion on things I can, such as coaching decisions.
This is the best decision for coaching. You fans are the one who influenced the UFC to make this decision whining about titles being held up and superstars on the shelf and promises not fufilled by certain fighters.
So the UFC gives the hardcore fans exactly what they want and the boo hooing continues.
And for those who think Tito is washed up, just remember how bad Shogun looked after his first fight back after surgeries and a long layoff. NO I am not saying tito will be at that level, but he will surprise the same people who whined that Shogun was washed up and "Machida by r***" posters.
chuck is old, slow and likes hookers n blow to much. I'm taking tito in the third fight.
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Wow, I actually agree with this post. LOL. Remember, people will always find something to whine about. I think Tito will look better than he has recently, and Chuck will look the same sadly, but I still see Chuck KO'n Tito and I can't wait.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ACOGSCOPE
Date: December 07, 2009 at 09:22 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

I understand all the old timers that are gonna fight are fun fights for the fans. But they do not make sense in standings. UFC will do anything to give Randy Couture a title shot at HW or LHW division.

 

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Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: December 07, 2009 at 09:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

monteaz said:
1. I don't buy Chuck vs. Tito. UFC made its mark on the world being ahead of the curve and breaking the mold. This is such a tired irrelevant match up. TUF 1 was Chuck vs. Randy, and it mattered. At the end they fought for a lhw title. Who is the winner of this fight going to fight? Who cares?
2. I don't buy Randy Couture vs. Mark Coleman. Randy, Chuck, Tito, and Mark should all be in the UFC to build up the next generation of young fighters. Not to be passed around to each other so that the casual fan think they are relevant. Either be the best, or fade out gracefully. Whats wrong with these guys fighting up n' comers like Joe Jones, Ryan Bader or even the Keith Jardines or the world. Young guys cannot become the future stars without being tested against the old timers.
3. I don't buy Kimbo. Ya, he finally beat a pro MMA fighter in Houston Alexander and totally proved me wrong, but the guy is 35yrs. old and is noting more than a sideshow. He is not a monster puncher, and will not have a successful run no matter how taylor made his opponents are. He does get the casual view more interested in the sport, but he brings little to the sport.
4. I have almost every UFC PPV since the beginning, and am a total mma junkie, but I do not like the direction that the UFC is going. Let the best fight the best. No! Make the best fight the best and stop trying to ride the coat tails of all the ole' timers to grow your business.
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Keith Jardine!!? :lol: Ryan Bader? Jon Jones is a future champion,no doubt, and Jardine is a great fighter but he's one loss away from being kicked out of the UFC.
So your not interested in two legends going at it? Did you not see NOG VS COUTURE!? Arguably the best fight of the year.
Do you want the UFC to kick Kimbo out cause he's 35years old but looked really impressive in his last fight, putting on one of the most exciting 2nd rounds of the year? Randy started fighting when he was 35, give him a break, It's not like their putting Kimbo in the main event like any other company would.

 

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Originally posted by: gmony
Date: December 07, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

107 on Saturday will be my first purchased card since 102. And I cant see me getting another card till 110 with what is coming up next. I wrongly thought the 104 card was gonna be a big mismatch in the main event and the rest of the card was weak. Forrest/Tito at this stage is not ME matireal especially with a another weak supporting card. Thiago/Rashad and Coleman/Couture are not main event fights on a ppv card. I have purchased an average of 10 cards a year for the last 3 years till this horrible stretch. I think when Rampage pulled out 107 months ago the whole card should have been scrapped to have some depth for the new years and supebowl weekend cards which are traditionally strong cards. Lets hope for a better Spring and Summer from the UFC.

 

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Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: December 07, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

gmony said:
107 on Saturday will be my first purchased card since 102. And I cant see me getting another card till 110 with what is coming up next. I wrongly thought the 104 card was gonna be a big mismatch in the main event and the rest of the card was weak. Forrest/Tito at this stage is not ME matireal especially with a another weak supporting card. Thiago/Rashad and Coleman/Couture are not main event fights on a ppv card. I have purchased an average of 10 cards a year for the last 3 years till this horrible stretch. I think when Rampage pulled out 107 months ago the whole card should have been scrapped to have some depth for the new years and supebowl weekend cards which are traditionally strong cards. Lets hope for a better Spring and Summer from the UFC.
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lol I bought 101, 104, and 106. How could you now get Machida/Shogun? you missed a great strategic fight. The only one I didn't buy was 102, I thought that was gonna suck but it didn't, and I didn't buy 103 either. I'm gonna get 107 for sure and 108 cause I'm a huge Rashad Evans fan. Come On? Rashad Evans, when someone like that is on the card you gotta get it, Machida, GSP, Penn, Rashad, AS, Forrest, Rampage, Brock, when on of those guys are on the card I gotta get it.

 

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Originally posted by: tyler1985
Date: December 07, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

all i'm going to say.is anbody who don't see a downward trend since ufc 100,ain't watchin the same product as me.hell they are almost starting to remind me of elitexc

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: December 07, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

tyler1985 said:
all i'm going to say.is anbody who don't see a downward trend since ufc 100,ain't watchin the same product as me.hell they are almost starting to remind me of elitexc
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you do know Machida, GSP, Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar, Big Nog are all on the injured list at the moment? That's um, 4 of the UFC's Champions!! Jesus, some of you guys are spoiled as hell. Just wait!

 

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Originally posted by: micmeraz
Date: December 07, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

tyler1985 said:
all i'm going to say.is anbody who don't see a downward trend since ufc 100,ain't watchin the same product as me.hell they are almost starting to remind me of elitexc
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AND ARE YOU SERIOUS!! UFC 101 was WAAAAYYYY Better than UFC 100! No doubt. That Anderson Silva vs Forrest Griffin fight!? Are you serious? That was arguably the best performance of all time in MMA or Boxing or KickBoxing.. Anderson Silva put on a show.
And UFC 104, Machida vs Shogun? That fight was amazing as well.

 

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Originally posted by: buckhunter620
Date: December 07, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

MikeMeraz said:
tyler1985 said:
all i'm going to say.is anbody who don't see a downward trend since ufc 100,ain't watchin the same product as me.hell they are almost starting to remind me of elitexc
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AND ARE YOU SERIOUS!! UFC 101 was WAAAAYYYY Better than UFC 100! No doubt. That Anderson Silva vs Forrest Griffin fight!? Are you serious? That was arguably the best performance of all time in MMA or Boxing or KickBoxing.. Anderson Silva put on a show.
And UFC 104, Machida vs Shogun? That fight was amazing as well.
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All the upcoming cards look pretty amazing, but something always happens (injury, sickness, etc.) that makes the cards shitty

 

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Originally posted by: tyler1985
Date: December 08, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/ufc-i-dont-buy-it-from-a-fan-since-ufc-1.20087/

last i remember forrest griffin was suspossed to be one of the top lightheavyweights in the ufc,and he got embarresd by a middleweight.i'm sure that helped his drawing power the thing most people seem to bring up. but any way i wasent talking about the cards as much as i was talking about how much dana white's blatant lies are starting to catch much more attenion than thaey ever have.such as having chuck lidell and tito ortiz as coaches on tuf. ain't tito the same guy he bashed for 2 years as a washed up has been,and did'nt he just try to retire lidell this year because he's his friend and did'nt want to see him get hurt anymore.and then he says what he said saturdaynight,and don't get me started on kimbo the ufc's new star, i'm sure we all remember all the s--- he said about that guy.what i'm trying to say is as mma gets more mainstreem do you think people won't catch on to this bulls---