UFC on Versus 2 Odds and Discussion
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If you can afford to tie up money for a few months, I think Okami is a fantastic buy at anything under -200, and probably still worth placing a wager past -200.
I know people generally don't like the large favorite lines, but I think Jon Jones is good until -infinity. Not sure how the betting public will react to this line but I personally went ahead and placed a large wager on Jon Jones.
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GuidaClayAllDay said:
If you can afford to tie up money for a few months, I think Okami is a fantastic buy at anything under -200, and probably still worth placing a wager past -200.
I know people generally don't like the large favorite lines, but I think Jon Jones is good until -infinity. Not sure how the betting public will react to this line but I personally went ahead and placed a large wager on Jon Jones.
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hmm GCAD, i would like to hear some more of your thoughts on why Okami is such a great value over Munoz. I know Okami should be considered upper echelon at MW, but Munoz has been steadily rising. I think the line is pretty well set, and I am not sure where Okami has a big advantage. I think the fight has decision written all over it, and could go either way with Munoz have good enough wrestling to have it go either way
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MoDogg said:
GuidaClayAllDay said:
If you can afford to tie up money for a few months, I think Okami is a fantastic buy at anything under -200, and probably still worth placing a wager past -200.
I know people generally don't like the large favorite lines, but I think Jon Jones is good until -infinity. Not sure how the betting public will react to this line but I personally went ahead and placed a large wager on Jon Jones.
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hmm GCAD, i would like to hear some more of your thoughts on why Okami is such a great value over Munoz. I know Okami should be considered upper echelon at MW, but Munoz has been steadily rising. I think the line is pretty well set, and I am not sure where Okami has a big advantage. I think the fight has decision written all over it, and could go either way with Munoz have good enough wrestling to have it go either way
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Okami will be much larger/thicker than Munoz in the cage. Munoz could not bring Hamill to the ground and was getting outgrappled by Catone at times. If he can't outwrestle you, he doesn't have the stand up tools to outstrike Okami IMO besides landing a lead overhand. Munoz is extremely dependent on top control and I do not see him seeing much action (if any) on top. I expect Okami to blanket Munoz and control the fight on the ground.
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GuidaClayAllDay said:
MoDogg said:
GuidaClayAllDay said:
If you can afford to tie up money for a few months, I think Okami is a fantastic buy at anything under -200, and probably still worth placing a wager past -200.
I know people generally don't like the large favorite lines, but I think Jon Jones is good until -infinity. Not sure how the betting public will react to this line but I personally went ahead and placed a large wager on Jon Jones.
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hmm GCAD, i would like to hear some more of your thoughts on why Okami is such a great value over Munoz. I know Okami should be considered upper echelon at MW, but Munoz has been steadily rising. I think the line is pretty well set, and I am not sure where Okami has a big advantage. I think the fight has decision written all over it, and could go either way with Munoz have good enough wrestling to have it go either way
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Okami will be much larger/thicker than Munoz in the cage. Munoz could not bring Hamill to the ground and was getting outgrappled by Catone at times. If he can't outwrestle you, he doesn't have the stand up tools to outstrike Okami IMO besides landing a lead overhand. Munoz is extremely dependent on top control and I do not see him seeing much action (if any) on top. I expect Okami to blanket Munoz and control the fight on the ground.
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thanks. if i play this one, it will be light. i think you got 2 guys who are under-valued by the sportsbooks, and Okami will be for awhile. Good feedback though, and I will lay low on this one. Will be a good indicator of where both guys are going in the division too.
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Jones, Okami, and Joe Daddy are money in this one. I'm waiting for the Bones line to drop a tad... but I'm not so sure it will happen seeing as how underrated and overlooked Vlad is today. Okami will win on pure size TDD, and experience. Gomi isn't the same Gomi in the states. Joe is going to be stronger and even if he gets picked apart on the feet, he'll get it down and win there. I like this for a parlay to be honest... but you can't throw Bones in the mix for a parlay at BD.
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Im not sure how much bigger Okami is than Munoz, I dont think much. Okami is at a disadvantage again in the wrestling here, and I think he losses a Decision.
I see a tad of value in Gomi, JDaddy always seems to choke.... I guess if hes smart and takes it to the ground he should have the rather easy W though.
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GuidaClayAllDay said:
Okami will be much larger/thicker than Munoz in the cage. Munoz could not bring Hamill to the ground and was getting outgrappled by Catone at times. If he can't outwrestle you, he doesn't have the stand up tools to outstrike Okami IMO besides landing a lead overhand. Munoz is extremely dependent on top control and I do not see him seeing much action (if any) on top. I expect Okami to blanket Munoz and control the fight on the ground.
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I agree with most of this
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if I recall correctly, didnt sonnen control Okami throughout the fight. Therefore, Munoz could follow this gameplan. I also heard rumors that Okami had broken hands or wrists.
but Munoz lost the Catone fight in my book
I didnt see Okami's latest fight to see his improved striking
What are people thinking about Gomi/Griffin? I think I'm somewhat enticed by Gomi at these odds. I think Griffin is a better matchup for him than Stevenson as Griffin is more prone to engage in a slugfest, a trait Stevenson ditched when joining jackson. I know Gomi is a shell of his former self but seeing Griffin getting outboxed by Sherk lets me think Gomi can hang. Florian picked him apart with a reach advantage and crisp tehnique, specifically a jab that had laser like accuracy, stuff that I don't really see in Griffin. This fight could also be example 3497 of Japanese star getting completely flustered by someone with a very strong wrestling base, but I'd like to think Gomi's has well above average wrestling in the scheme of Japanese imports. Anyone else think he's being undervalued?
I disagree on the Okami pick. Ive taken Munoz because I think this is a pretty even fight. Munoz has the better wrestleing and has only been improving as of late. I also think he is pretty big and strong himself.... Okami isnt going to ko anyone with one shot, and I think on the ground munoz will ne on top most.. I like Munoz by UD or SD.
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DaTruth25 said:
Im not sure how much bigger Okami is than Munoz, I dont think much. Okami is at a disadvantage again in the wrestling here, and I think he losses a Decision.
I see a tad of value in Gomi, JDaddy always seems to choke.... I guess if hes smart and takes it to the ground he should have the rather easy W though.
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Okami is bigger than Munoz, much wider and thicker. And has better wrestling/grappling. Should be slightly better on the feet than Munoz also. Munoz doesn't have the ground skills Sonnen possesses
I'm not sure who you meant should take it to the ground for an easy W. You said value in Gomi so I guess you meant him, if either had a chance for "a easy W". This would've been Joe's clearest path to victory, to take Gomi down and out-grapple him. Joe wanted no part of Gomi on the feet, George Sotrilious (sp?) got the better of Joe on the feet in their recent fight (set up things well). I agree there was value in Gomi but for his hand/boxing skills not his ground work
PredictionPain said:
What are people thinking about Gomi/Griffin? I think I'm somewhat enticed by Gomi at these odds. I think Griffin is a better matchup for him than Stevenson as Griffin is more prone to engage in a slugfest, a trait Stevenson ditched when joining jackson. I know Gomi is a shell of his former self but seeing Griffin getting outboxed by Sherk lets me think Gomi can hang. Florian picked him apart with a reach advantage and crisp tehnique, specifically a jab that had laser like accuracy, stuff that I don't really see in Griffin. This fight could also be example 3497 of Japanese star getting completely flustered by someone with a very strong wrestling base, but I'd like to think Gomi's has well above average wrestling in the scheme of Japanese imports. Anyone else think he's being undervalued?
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I agree in an odd way Griffin might be a better match up for Gomi bc he will stand and bang. But at extreme Couture and people coached by Thomkins they seem to stress to their fighters to win a round on the ground and 1 on the feet to totally show dominance no matter which way the judges are scoring. Meaning if judges hold the stand up at priority over a ground game, they got all the bases covered. And visa versa (ground prioritize over stand up)
And I think Griffin and his corner are intelligent enough to resort to take downs if Gomi is winning the exchanges on the feet. I expect a well-balanced game plan from Griffin.
I wouldn't go crazy on Griffin though, I'm not one to discredit Gomi bc he lost to a top 3 LW (in the world). Gomi is a head-case though ("i lost to Diaz bc I did two 8 balls of blow and banged 3 strippers the night before")
I recommend a under 1 unit play on Griffin, .5 to .7u would be perfect bet-sizing IMO
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UKdonkbet said:
DaTruth25 said:
Im not sure how much bigger Okami is than Munoz, I dont think much. Okami is at a disadvantage again in the wrestling here, and I think he losses a Decision.
I see a tad of value in Gomi, JDaddy always seems to choke.... I guess if hes smart and takes it to the ground he should have the rather easy W though.
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Okami is bigger than Munoz, much wider and thicker. And has better wrestling/grappling. Should be slightly better on the feet than Munoz also. Munoz doesn't have the ground skills Sonnen possesses
I'm not sure who you meant should take it to the ground for an easy W. You said value in Gomi so I guess you meant him, if either had a chance for "a easy W". This would've been Joe's clearest path to victory, to take Gomi down and out-grapple him. Joe wanted no part of Gomi on the feet, George Sotrilious (sp?) got the better of Joe on the feet in their recent fight (set up things well). I agree there was value in Gomi but for his hand/boxing skills not his ground work
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Munoz is the better wrestler, for sure, look at the credentials... not even close.
and imo, they are close to the same size, Okami may be a bit bigger but Munoz isnt mike swick you know....
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Dsp28 said:
UKdonkbet said:
DaTruth25 said:
Im not sure how much bigger Okami is than Munoz, I dont think much. Okami is at a disadvantage again in the wrestling here, and I think he losses a Decision.
I see a tad of value in Gomi, JDaddy always seems to choke.... I guess if hes smart and takes it to the ground he should have the rather easy W though.
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Okami is bigger than Munoz, much wider and thicker. And has better wrestling/grappling. Should be slightly better on the feet than Munoz also. Munoz doesn't have the ground skills Sonnen possesses
I'm not sure who you meant should take it to the ground for an easy W. You said value in Gomi so I guess you meant him, if either had a chance for "a easy W". This would've been Joe's clearest path to victory, to take Gomi down and out-grapple him. Joe wanted no part of Gomi on the feet, George Sotrilious (sp?) got the better of Joe on the feet in their recent fight (set up things well). I agree there was value in Gomi but for his hand/boxing skills not his ground work
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Munoz is the better wrestler, for sure, look at the credentials... not even close.
and imo, they are close to the same size, Okami may be a bit bigger but Munoz isnt mike swick you know....
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Ok, Okami has better MMA adapted wrestling. To me after Warren's run and Askren's recent championship, Olympic status is the foremost credential I look for. Others hold less and less meaning to me. I stand behind Okami having better wrestling in a MMA setting, he should blanket Munoz who was "out wrestled" by Cantone. Maybe even shouldof lost to Cantone and I think Munoz has better credentials than Cantone also
Yea Swick's a WW