Vera vs Jones Odds Out
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Strange that Irvin is such a favourite.
He hasn't been active. It's his first fight at a new weight. His last 2 fights lasted like a total of 1 minute(Silva/Alexander). He had personal issues of being suspended. He's coming off another injury.
While Sakara's fight against Leites was sh*t, he's clearly shown in the past he's a solid mid tier fighter. He's at least been a bit more active, has already fought at 185 a few times and he hasn't had the out of the cage problems Irvin has.
And Irvin was never that good in the first place. His biggest fights were against Thiago Silva, where he quit after blowing his knee out and Luis Cane where he quit after take a light shot to the eye.
And Red Schafer as that much of an underdog against Brilz? Did the odds maker watch Marshall/Brilz?
I know Bader/Schafer wasn't all that great of a performance from Red, but that was just a piss poor game plan. He was riding a solid win streak going into that fight.
I hope Jones wins easily, but again, he seems to be pretty high on the value as well. Brandon Vera might not be what he should be, but he's a major step up from Stephan Bonnar, Jake Obrien or Matt Hamill.
Jak said:
And Red Schafer as that much of an underdog against Brilz? Did the odds maker watch Marshall/Brilz?
I know Bader/Schafer wasn't all that great of a performance from Red, but that was just a piss poor game plan. He was riding a solid win streak going into that fight.
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yea im gonna bet on schafer there.
Jak said:
Strange that Irvin is such a favourite.
He hasn't been active. It's his first fight at a new weight. His last 2 fights lasted like a total of 1 minute(Silva/Alexander). He had personal issues of being suspended. He's coming off another injury.
While Sakara's fight against Leites was sh*t, he's clearly shown in the past he's a solid mid tier fighter. He's at least been a bit more active, has already fought at 185 a few times and he hasn't had the out of the cage problems Irvin has.
And Irvin was never that good in the first place. His biggest fights were against Thiago Silva, where
he
quit
after blowing his knee out
and Luis Cane where he quit after take a light shot to the eye.
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I think this can explain why money has been coming in on Sakara. Due to Irvin's health/injury prone history I think it's a crapshoot picking either side at the current lines.
^I don't think "quit" is the right word; no one would be able to continue after that injury.
THEWINNER said:
Jak said:
And Red Schafer as that much of an underdog against Brilz? Did the odds maker watch Marshall/Brilz?
I know Bader/Schafer wasn't all that great of a performance from Red, but that was just a piss poor game plan. He was riding a solid win streak going into that fight.
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yea im gonna bet on schafer there.
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Oddsmakers set this fight even...it's the bettors' money that has made Schafer the underdog.
I'd like to voice my opinion, but I have a fantasy title to defend and I know my opponent will be lurking in the wagering forums to see what I have to say.
Brilz vs Shafer
I see this as an 'more ways to win fight'
Shafer can win via catching a submission
Brilz can outbox, wrestle and laynpray his way to victory
He has not been submitted since 2001 and his only loss since then has been a split decision loss to Marshall. Shafer has not subbed anyone since houston alexander. And I beleive that I could tap him out.
I think Brilz will have improved standup, his standup in the Marshall fight looked similar to Matt Hamill(stalking and a quick cover up defense)
I do like betting on wrestlers for the mentality and endurance.
Shaub s Gormely
Brendan is a Junkie alum so i have loyalty to him
Secondly, he is a true athlete. I believe natural athletes will pick up the game very quickly.
Gormely is a wrestler. however, Schaub was able to get the fight standing against Marcus Jones and Roy Nelson a BJJ Black Belt
Standing Schaub has numerous advantages - power and reach in addition to training in Colorado. I dont know how gormely will respond or how good his cardio will be.
My questions: Does Brendan have a chin? How will he respond to teh extra pressure of being in his home town?
Just my two cents. could be wrong
MMAMoneyLine said:
He was said to be giving Minotauro fits when sparring.
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No offense, but I hate using this kind of "evidence" for backing a side. Think about all the seeds this could have sprouted from. Not saying your take is wrong, but I hope this isn't what sealed the deal for you- the guys team saying nice things about him.
TheGreatAwakening said:
MMAMoneyLine said:
He was said to be giving Minotauro fits when sparring.
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No offense, but I hate using this kind of "evidence" for backing a side. Think about all the seeds this could have sprouted from. Not saying your take is wrong, but I hope this isn't what sealed the deal for you- the guys team saying nice things about him.
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I can understand your stance. However, when it comes to a guy that nobody knows too much about you have to go on what you can. The fact that Gormley simply trains with these guys makes a big difference.
MMAMoneyLine said:
TheGreatAwakening said:
MMAMoneyLine said:
He was said to be giving Minotauro fits when sparring.
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No offense, but I hate using this kind of "evidence" for backing a side. Think about all the seeds this could have sprouted from. Not saying your take is wrong, but I hope this isn't what sealed the deal for you- the guys team saying nice things about him.
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I can understand your stance. However, when it comes to a guy that nobody knows too much about you have to go on what you can. The fact that Gormley simply trains with these guys makes a big difference.
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But how long has he been training there? Just to prepare for this fight? I used to put a lot of stock in Randy Couture's fight picks until I figured out that he never picks against guys that train at Extreme Couture. If Gormley hasn't been training at Black House for very long his training might be better considered for his next fight. Schaub trains with Jackson and has been doing so for quite some time. Schaub seems to be a quick study too.