Was it worth it?

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Originally posted by: MJ
Date: March 15, 2009 at 07:14 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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Now that its been a couple years, how do you think its worked out for the UFC and Pride merge. (buy-out) I used to always watch re-runs of Pride. I remember watching Wsilva fights and thinking this guy is scarey. Then there was Rampage. I didnt now what to think of him. He had his chain hanging from his neck and howled. Once I saw him fight all you could say was WoW! There was Cro cop,Fedor,Herring,Shogun. All fighters we would have love to fight in the UFC. Well of course now we do.
Who didnt want to see a Liddell vs W Silva fight. Well we got that too. Chuck/Jackson (2). Cro cop vs Gonzaga,Randy vs Nog, Jackson vs W silva (3), Griffin vs Shogun, Henderson vs everyone. The question is how has this worked out. What has been you fav ufc/pride fight?
 
Originally posted by: MJ
Date: March 15, 2009 at 07:54 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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so far so good. Well we all know it was worth it. But could we get some feedback? ha!
 
Originally posted by: psycho_steve
Date: March 15, 2009 at 07:58 PM
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I agree it was an awesome deal, we got to see dream fights, and some guys became huge stars in the States. Some of my favorite match-ups
Chuck vs. Wandy
Forrest vs. Shogun
We finally got a dream match up between Franklin and Henderson.
Maybe the only downside was watch Cro Cop fall on his face in the UFC.
 
Originally posted by: Paint_Chips
Date: March 15, 2009 at 08:02 PM
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Yeah and no. We've seen some dream matchups but its just one less promotion. I don't mean that in the sense of a competetor against the UFC. Just one less place for a fighter to get his name out there.
 
Originally posted by: Mas-
Date: March 15, 2009 at 08:10 PM
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Well i think that it was worth it but at the same time kind of not. For fighters like Cro cop to completely fall of the map due to a loss to gonzaga too a Shogun being called a "Washout" or "a has been" due to 2 bad fights with injuries. Many things have changed for the better though we have more people watching MMA due to this Merge/Buy outstanding/dream fights are occurring on every card since the merge.
Only problem i have is with the fans. By this i mean the fans in the west. In japan these guys got the respect they needed and wanted. Here they are treated like some douchebags if they lose one fight. I think that we as fans need to show the proper respect these fighters deserve.
 
Originally posted by: ForrestGriffin1991
Date: March 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM
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I would say at first i liked the idea of seeing the dream fights and i'm still thankful that i got to see the great fights but is it really worth it?
someways yes and someways no
Yes in the fact that we got to see the dream fights
No in the fact that one organization pretty much dominates a sport
this decreases competition and competition greatly improves the quality of ppvs
I'm not too worried though with organizations like DREAM and strikforce growing i'm sure there will be healthy competition for years to come!
 
Originally posted by: GunsLikeThese
Date: March 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM
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Mas- said:
Only problem i have is with the fans. By this i mean the fans in the west. In japan these guys got the respect they needed and wanted. Here they are treated like some douchebags if they lose one fight. I think that we as fans need to show the proper respect these fighters deserve.
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I find this hilarious. I'm pretty sure that if Shogun was crapping out performances in Dream like he has been in the UFC, he'd still be getting called out by the fans. Also, saying Chuck is going to beat Shogun doesn't mean they think he's a douchebag. Are you picking Shogun to win? If so, maybe you shouldn't take other people's picks so personally.
 
Originally posted by: Mas-
Date: March 15, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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GunsLikeThese said:
Mas- said:
Only problem i have is with the fans. By this i mean the fans in the west. In japan these guys got the respect they needed and wanted. Here they are treated like some douchebags if they lose one fight. I think that we as fans need to show the proper respect these fighters deserve.
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I find this hilarious. I'm pretty sure that if Shogun was crapping out performances in Dream like he has been in the UFC, he'd still be getting called out by the fans. Also, saying Chuck is going to beat Shogun doesn't mean they think he's a douchebag. Are you picking Shogun to win? If so, maybe you shouldn't take other people's picks so personally.
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If you ask any MMA reporter they will tell you the same the fans in America canada and such aren't the same as Japanese fans it is like a Art there.
 
Originally posted by: Lencazo415
Date: March 15, 2009 at 11:57 PM
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I wouldve very much rather seen all these people fighting in Pride under Pride rules. But im definitely not mad about it at least we got to see a match or 2 that we wanted.
 
Originally posted by: GunsLikeThese
Date: March 16, 2009 at 12:50 AM
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Mas- said:
If you ask any MMA reporter they will tell you the same the fans in America canada and such aren't the same as Japanese fans it is like a Art there.
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Right. Japanese fans are very respectful. That's why Kevin Randleman's nickname there is Donkey Kong.
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 16, 2009 at 01:32 AM
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Mas- said:
If you ask any MMA reporter they will tell you the same the fans in America
canada
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Woah, woah, woah.. don't try to slip Canada in there with American fans...
 
Originally posted by: Mas-
Date: March 16, 2009 at 01:35 AM
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Jak said:
Mas- said:
If you ask any MMA reporter they will tell you the same the fans in America
canada
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Woah, woah, woah.. don't try to slip Canada in there with American fans...
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LOL i was trying not to. I am from Canada and i wanted to stay away but you know how people can get.
 
Originally posted by: kam300
Date: March 16, 2009 at 01:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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Canadian fans are passionate and respectfull. American fans are as well but depends where you are. Aneheim, Vegas, seem to be a lot of boos when it's not necessary and forget about any of the U.S military bases. You give them a free show and they will boo everyone including the ring girls and hot dog vendor. The midwest crowds like Ohio and what not are great. Depends where you are.
 
Originally posted by: Jak
Date: March 16, 2009 at 01:41 AM
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Mas- said:
i wanted to stay away
but you know how people can get
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I know how American people can get....
 
Originally posted by: D253
Date: March 16, 2009 at 02:39 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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I'd say it was worth it. The merge hasn't quite worked out the way I pictured/hoped but there are still match-ups to be made..............
 
Originally posted by: iron_cup
Date: March 16, 2009 at 07:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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It wasn't worth it. Pride had better rules, better fans and overall a better atmosphere.
UFC is like the McDonalds of MMA organisations. The fans are arrogant anxiety driven idiots who want it all and want it immediately. They aren't interested in seeing top level athletes showing their skills, they just want to be entertained. The booing starts immediately as they lose their concentration and don't feel entertained. The average American fans would love nothing more than a kickboxing organisation that uses MMA gloves and has s--- talking street thugs as their fighters.
It's funny what kind of a culture shock it is for American fighters when they fight someplace where they're actually respected as fighters and athletes. Quotes from Sean Salmon's blog about fighting in Finland ( http://mmajunkie.com/news/2924/full-time-fighter-sean-salmon-discusses-win-in-finland-trouble-at-home.mma ):
When I got to the event, I watched several of the other fights before mine and was very impressed with the crowd. It was very easy to tell who the hometown favorite was, but they would always applaud good fighting and always give respectful applause to the winner.
When I was called to the cage, you would have thought I was the hometown fighter for a minute. Then they called Mikko Rupponen to the ring and no one made a sound -- until he got inside the ropes. It was very clear who the favorite was.
I was pleasantly surprised at the ovation that I got from the Finnish fans. Nothing crazy, but very respectful. I did the best I could to show my appreciation for them coming to the fight and behaving so admirably. I know that I was not the one they wanted to see win the fight, but they let me know that they appreciated my effort and that made me happy to be there.
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Originally posted by: bpretz
Date: March 16, 2009 at 08:46 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/was-it-worth-it.11562/
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in itself, pride was very entertaining but, for whatever reason, pride / ufc bouts have not been as entertaining. i think the pride conquest by the ufc was a good move with good intentions but the pride fighters just have not been able to make their mark in the ufc.
 
Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: March 16, 2009 at 09:02 AM
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The best UFC/Pride fight i've seen come out of all this is Wandy/Chuck, just because I used to pray for a match between these 2 when the orgs were split, and it lived up to the hype, they were throwing bombs at each other, noone got dropped, just a slug fest. Silva has been impressive in the UFC, but none of his fights to me are better than Wandy/Chuck. Herring, Shogun, Coleman, CroCop were all dissapointing. Nog has done pretty well, but nothing stellar. I'm leaving out alot of people, but I think I covered all the "standouts".
I love the fact that Mas- (one of the top BJ haters) is talking about fans not showing fighters enough respect. Irony much?
 
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