What Monopoly? Top Non-UFC Talent....

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Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 12, 2010 at 06:52 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Source: The Bleacher Report
Back when Pride Fighting Championships was around, it was all the rage to debate which promotion was better between them and the UFC. Since the UFC bought Pride FC, however, the UFC been considered by many to have a monopoly over the sport's top talent.
I disagree. Yes, the UFC has a deeper roster of top-talent at their disposal than any of their competitors, but are far from having a monopoly over controlling the most talented fighters in the world.
For one, there's always going to be top-shelf talent that the general public has never heard of. Guys that are known in certain circles and fighting communities, but don't have a desire to make a living in the spotlight.
Then there's all the upcoming fighters like Travis Browne. No one had heard of him until he signed with the UFC, but then you get interested and check out his record and WOW. It reminds me of when I first checked out Shane Carwin's record. There will always be awesome upcoming talent that just hasn't had their break yet.... I'm not focusing on them.
Who I am focusing on are established top fighters who perhaps will fight in the UFC, or did before at some point, but choose to currently fight elsewhere. They do this even though they show up on many peoples' ranking, and for some, would probably be ranked higher if they were in the UFC.
First I will start with StrikeForce, who is essentially becoming the contemporary stateside version of what Pride FC used to be.
STRIKEFORCE
Jake Shields will probably be signing his contract with the UFC any day now, but he still is the perfect representation of top talent outside the UFC. As far as I'm concerned, he's been a top 10 welterweight for years, but had been overlooked because he wasn't in the UFC.
Of course Strikeforce is probably best known for having a strong Heavyweight division that stacks up well against the UFC's. Brett Rogers, Andrei Arlovski, Antonio Silva, and Fabricio Werdum could all give any UFC Heavyweight a run for their money. And then of course(x3) there's the legendary Fedor Emelianenko and Champ Alistair Overeem.
At Middleweight there is a surprising amount of depth, which includes Dan Henderson, but don't expect Ronaldo Souza, Tim Kennedy, and maybe even Jason Miller, to go away anytime soon.
Muhammad Lawal and Gegard Mousasi are elite warriors of the highest order. The cool thing is that they both probably have many prime years left in them.
Then you have Nick Diaz, Robbie Lawler, and Renato Sobral who have all been building their names and/or resumes since solid stints in the UFC.
Lightweight champ Gilbert Melendez has easily proven to be a top 10, and probably top 5, world-ranked competitor in his division.
All in all Strikeforce not only has a fairly deep roster, second only to the UFC, they also have the world class talent that's on every true MMA fans radar.
JAPAN, FREE AGENTS, AND ELSEWHERE
There's international standouts Hector Lombard and Eddie Alvarez fighting for the Bellator promotion. Shinya Aoki is a scary scary little Japanese man. Josh Barnett is a hilarious journey man/road warrior who stomps heavyweight competition in between glib media appearances. And Jorge Santiago has elevated his game to considerable prominence since suffering a couple of brutal losses back in the UFC.
So tell me fellow bleacherreporters.... who else am I missing?
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Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: July 12, 2010 at 06:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

UFC will never have a total monopoly, but they have a monopoly in the sense that Microsoft has a monopoly on operating systems right now. Sure people use Linux and Macs, but who gives a s---? :lol:
I'd say the heavyweight division is the only division right now that wouldn't be outright dominated by anyone in the top 10 in the UFC. Possibly Lightweight as well. MW, WW, LHW in UFC are head and shoulders above anywhere else right now.
 
Originally posted by: thabestevah
Date: July 12, 2010 at 06:58 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
 
Originally posted by: Fjodorz
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:01 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Stopped reading after he announced that AA could give any HW fighter in UFC a run for his money, he is done years ago.
 
Originally posted by: avonbarksdale
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:07 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Do you work for The Bleacher Report or something?
 
Originally posted by: Hitman21
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:20 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Strikeforce is building a little roster of their own
 
Originally posted by: xTroublePeace
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:23 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Hector Lombard ftw
 
Originally posted by: TheLethalLefty
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:26 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Why not all of them?
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 12, 2010 at 07:49 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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Those were the fighters that they used with the article. Yes, you can use ten, but who am I to doctor it up with my personal opinion as if I wrote it?
avonbarksdale said:
Do you work for The Bleacher Report or something?
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No.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 12, 2010 at 08:19 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Where is the Tim Kennedy love?...........he is probably the only fighter I will ever say this about.....WAR TIM
I feel ashamed for even doing that.....
 
Originally posted by: avonbarksdale
Date: July 12, 2010 at 08:24 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

mabrown45 said:
Where is the Tim Kennedy love?...........he is probably the only fighter I will ever say this about.....WAR TIM
I feel ashamed for even doing that.....
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Tim Kennedy has the potential to be a huge star. Strikeforce should start putting him front and center.
 
Originally posted by: mabrown45
Date: July 12, 2010 at 08:50 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

avonbarksdale said:
mabrown45 said:
Where is the Tim Kennedy love?...........he is probably the only fighter I will ever say this about.....WAR TIM
I feel ashamed for even doing that.....
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Tim Kennedy has the potential to be a huge star. Strikeforce should start putting him front and center.
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Ya i'm defiantly rooting for him.........i just feel ashamed for doing the WAR crap........
 
Originally posted by: veritas
Date: July 12, 2010 at 08:56 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 12, 2010 at 09:06 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

veritas said:
killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
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Mousasi's only accomplishment was beating Soko? Seems to me like you missed quite a few of his fights. And an awful display of MMA? Really?
 
Originally posted by: darcebandit
Date: July 12, 2010 at 09:45 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

veritas said:
killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
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lombard, babalu, kang and jacare mean anything to you?
 
Originally posted by: BaconBits
Date: July 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

Hector Lombard. The UFC middlewweight division could use all the exciting fighters and potential challengers to Anderson Silva it can get.
 
Originally posted by: veritas
Date: July 12, 2010 at 10:59 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

darcebandit said:
veritas said:
killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
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lombard, babalu, kang and jacare mean anything to you?
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beating someone with this list makes you comparable to rua, evens, machida?? and did you watch jacare last mma fight? babalu only got good after taking a step down in comp and kang? no one said he wasnt average, but this makes him elite?!?!?..nope
 
Originally posted by: veritas
Date: July 12, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

ResoluteProtector said:
veritas said:
killadakiller said:
Why did you choose those people for the poll? You can use ten right? No Mousasi, Fedor or, Werdum, yet Nick Diaz? The choices in the poll just seem a bit odd to me. I would go with Mo though. Dude is an animal, and I could see him having a chance to beat anyone in the world at 205.
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baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
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Mousasi's only accomplishment was beating Soko? Seems to me like you missed quite a few of his fights. And an awful display of MMA? Really?
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go watch the fight agian.. mo just fell on him to get takedown after takedown and then got punished while laying on top of him the entire fight. the fact that mousasi could not stop the takedowns says enough. so many people make him something special when he beat babalu and soko...there is a reason both fighters are not in the ufc anymore. dude is average at best but so many hardcores are ready to make someone outside the ufc so elite just to have competition within the industries. not saying no one is elite outside the ufc(ie fedor) but mo nor mousasi are one of them...
 
Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: July 12, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-monopoly-top-non-ufc-talent.27807/

veritas said:
ResoluteProtector said:
veritas said:
baSED off his last fight? really??! he beat a fighter whos only accomplishment is beating soko, and he did it by lnp in an awful display of mixed martial arts. the ratings for the show agree with me there...have him fight a real contender in the division first before he can suddenly bean anyone at 205..
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Mousasi's only accomplishment was beating Soko? Seems to me like you missed quite a few of his fights. And an awful display of MMA? Really?
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go watch the fight agian.. mo just fell on him to get takedown after takedown and then got punished while laying on top of him the entire fight. the fact that mousasi could not stop the takedowns says enough. so many people make him something special when he beat babalu and soko...there is a reason both fighters are not in the ufc anymore. dude is average at best but so many hardcores are ready to make someone outside the ufc so elite just to have competition within the industries. not saying no one is elite outside the ufc(ie fedor) but mo nor mousasi are one of them...
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I've watched the fight plenty of times and your statements are false by your own admission. First it was Lay N Pray. Then it was an awful display of MMA. Now, he fell on him for TD after TD. Wow...
 
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