What you liked and didn't like about the last UFC event.

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: September 23, 2012 at 08:32 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

KillswitchKen said:
ResoluteProtector said:
KillswitchKen said:
I'm interested to hear what makes you think he stalls?
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In my opinion creating too much space is a bit of a stall tactic. And its someting that all fighter do. Johnson maybe just a little more than others though. But I also think that stalling is a necessary evil in this sport being that we are all human.
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I can see how it could be perceived that way. I don't think he does to the extent some of the other fighters do it, and I don't personally see it as a stall tactic. But I can see how some people could see it that way.
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I use the word stall loosely. And I guess that's why I kind of asked the question first. Personally, I think it more tactical than stalling per say. However, I don't think that it being tactical, prevents it from still being stalling in some sense. A necessary evil if you ask me. Creating and taking away space is a large part of how this game works. I think Johnson takes so much heat because he does it with his feet, which is fairly new to network MMA. That andI the programmed perception that aI fight onto the feet can be nothing short of a Rocky type performance. But its an effective tactic, one that I think more fighter will work toward being able to incorporate into their tool box.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: a_clown_shoe
Date: September 23, 2012 at 08:40 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

blacklung said:
righter said:
Touchdowns to a large extent are how football games are won. That's not true of blood and MMA.
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Capt Obvious. It's not the "blood" it's the action or engaging enough to make the person bleed.
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That doesn't make a lot of sense either since there was a lot of action and engaging. I don't think the analogy holds, even under this interpretation of it.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BRF
Date: September 23, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

i wish hamill hollet was stopped at the end of round 1

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: RearNakedSlam
Date: September 23, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

I didn't like the outcomes of Jones vs Belfort and Stann vs Bisping, but the fights themselves were great. Hamill vs Hollett was pretty boring. The rest was awesome though. Great night of fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: BRF
Date: September 23, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

liked:
jon jones showing the heart of a champion and overcoming a full on armbar that hyper-extended his elbow
jon jones submitted a BJJ Black belt again for the third time (if you count shogun's tap out after the ref stopped the fight)
cub swanson beat charles oliveira so bad he sat down and rolled around on the ground in pain
roger hollet showing good heart and surviving the beat down that he mighty matt hamill gave him at the end of round 1
demetrious johnson dominating joseph benavidez for the entire 5 rounds (minus the guillotine attempt that was far off)
michael bisping domination of brian stann (minus the end of round 1)
Mitch Gagnon submitting walel watson
Vinny submitting igor
disliked:
roger hollet vs matt hamill round 2-3
sean pierson vs lance benoist round 3
jon jones nearly losing to a MW
charlie brenneman getting KO'd
the fans who boo'd the Flyweight title fight

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Python
Date: September 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Liked:
- Bisping proving once again he is Britain's greatest point fighter, and showing the *cough* skills that will make him a formidable opponent for The Spider
- Hamil and Hollett fight.. war Nova Scotia :|
Disliked:
- Joe Rogan and Mike Goldie's non-stop propaganda during the Flyweight fight regarding how it was an exciting and technical fight and criticizing fans aka customers for wanting a blood bath (or whatever the phrase was)
- The Flyweight snoozer
- Vitor fighting injured... would've liked to see a healthy Chael Sonnen if given the opportunity instead

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 67goat
Date: September 24, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Stalling is holding a person against the cage while not trying to hit them or take them down, sitting in another fighter's guard without trying to advance or do anything offensive when the guy on the bottom is not even attacking with subs, or clinching in the center without any intent to use it for anything other than to prevent you opponent from attacking. Moving your head out of the way or stepping out of range to avoid actually getting hit isn't stalling. Especially when you use it to counter attack.
I also find it odd that a different poster said he didn't like it because he knew it was going to a decision, but liked the Bisping/Stann fight. Those two have about the same number of wins as the flyweights and about the same number of wins by decision. Is there some kind of psychic power going on, or just making assumptions based on size?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChrisminaL
Date: September 24, 2012 at 03:38 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Liked:
- Kyle Noke KO, even if it might be an early stoppage (again for Brenneman).
- Brimage vs Hettes; great overall fight although their cardio was questionnable.
- The fight of the night. I'm not a big fan of slugfests, but the heart they both showed was great to watch. And it was more a MMA fight than a street fight even if it was a slugfest, I liked that.
- Maghalaes' good return with a superb armbar.
- Swanson's fight; worked the body early, then that punch to the face was awesome. "Funny" Knock out.
- Bisping vs Stann; I enjoyed watching the fight; didn't expect Bisping to be able to take Stann down 3-4 times. I was very attentive to the fight; it could end anytime.
- The feeling I had when Belfort got that arm !
Disliked:
- Noticed that Jimy Hettes has no killer instinct. He'd have finished the fight in the second. I liked to compare him to Lauzon/Rory, but not anymore, unfortunately.
- Matt Hamill vs Hollett. Before the event, I was wondering why that fight was on the main card. I skipped the last round. So many technical mistakes... Hamill could end that fight easily if he used his brain instead of punching the back of the head 50 times.
- flyweight title fight. I'm a real MMA fight. I have to say, I enjoyed the ground game in that fight, some Benavidez moves were awesome. But never in that fight did I jump out off my chair, or did I scream; nothing. They were moving really fast, but no clean shot but in the 4th.
- JBJ kicks to the knee. I don't know why those kicks are allowed, it's really dangerous. When I learned it back in the days I told myself I would never use such kicks. Well, they are not forbidden, so well, can't blame Jones for using them. But I really didn't like it. Also, I didn't like Vitor's gameplan, to take it to the ground when they were both very sloppy.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 67goat
Date: September 24, 2012 at 04:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

And an armbar isn't really dangerous? Elbows are okay to hyperextend, but not knees?

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ResoluteProtector
Date: September 24, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

67goat said:
Stalling is holding a person against the cage while not trying to hit them or take them down, sitting in another fighter's guard without trying to advance or do anything offensive when the guy on the bottom is not even attacking with subs, or clinching in the center without any intent to use it for anything other than to prevent you opponent from attacking. Moving your head out of the way or stepping out of range to avoid actually getting hit isn't stalling. Especially when you use it to counter attack.
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I fairly certain that everything you mentioned above, every fighter does at some point in time and to some degree. I think the determining factor as it relates to stalling is a matter of looking at the timing and frequency in which fighters do these things or in some cases don't do the things.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChrisminaL
Date: September 24, 2012 at 05:12 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

67goat said:
And an armbar isn't really dangerous? Elbows are okay to hyperextend, but not knees?
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When someone goes for an armbar, it's up to the submitted guy to tap before the elbow hyperextend.
When someone kicks the knee, he may break it with the kick, directly. There's no situation you can tap out. There's a big difference between a dangerous move such as, imo, a kick to the knee, and a submission, where you, as a fighter, have to tap out if you don't want to have a bone crushed.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MMAFTM13
Date: September 24, 2012 at 05:19 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

67goat said:
And an armbar isn't really dangerous? Elbows are okay to hyperextend, but not knees?
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Yeah?.......Try telling Tim Sylvia that.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: September 24, 2012 at 05:53 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Liked
Michael Bisping using his brain and taking Stann down (although Stanns TDD looked a lot better than before).
Jones showing heart to fight out of the armbar he was in, and putting on a demolition of Vitor. Also, jumping on that keylock, when Vitor was expecting ground & pound was awesome.
TJ Grant and Evan Dunham putting on an incredible show. I've seen a lot of people say that was just a brawl, but there were a lot of great technical exchanges there, great head movement and counters from both guys. I've also seen people claim that Dunham won, and I think that's crazy.
Disliked
Jimy Hettes having unbelievably poor fight IQ. Dude was getting lit up standing and showed absolutely no urgency to get the fight to the ground, where he should have been able to dominate. Also, his awful striking defense, and using his reach worse than Stefan Struve. I had huge hopes for Hettes, but he's got a hell of a lot of work to do to realise his potential.
Walel Watson throwing a superman punch. Seriously, what the f---? You already have about a foot in height and reach on Gagnon, why throw a superman punch and leave yourself completely open? Again, someone who's bought the Stevan Struve book of "Utilising your reach".
Jon Jones getting submission of the night. As I said above, it was awesome how he took the submission, but Vinny Magalhaes had by far the most impressive submission of the night. That armbar was as slick as the come. Just more proof that Main Card fighters get undeserved bonuses a lot of the time.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Spud
Date: September 24, 2012 at 06:03 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

I'm usually against Jones's kicks to knees, but he was usually targeting Vitors thigh in this fight. And if you don't want to get kicked like that, defend it. It may be difficult to defend, but Belfort keeping his feet planted on the ground pretty much all the time was just asking Jones to throw those kicks. Any fighter that watches tape of Jones has to realise that kicks to the thigh/knee are strikes that he enjoys utilising.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: MMAFTM13
Date: September 24, 2012 at 06:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Spud said:
I'm usually against Jones's kicks to knees, but he was usually targeting Vitors thigh in this fight. And if you don't want to get kicked like that, defend it. It may be difficult to defend, but Belfort keeping his feet planted on the ground pretty much all the time was just asking Jones to throw those kicks. Any fighter that watches tape of Jones has to realise that kicks to the thigh/knee are strikes that he enjoys utilising.
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I don't like them spiking kicks to the knees either..I think Brandon Vera was the first one to utilise them,but as long as it's on the thigh it should be ok..They should be illegal to the knees but that's just my opinion..

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: ChrisminaL
Date: September 24, 2012 at 08:06 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Spud said:
Liked
Michael Bisping using his brain and taking Stann down (although Stanns TDD looked a lot better than before).
Jones showing heart to fight out of the armbar he was in, and putting on a demolition of Vitor. Also, jumping on that keylock, when Vitor was expecting ground & pound was awesome.
TJ Grant and Evan Dunham putting on an incredible show. I've seen a lot of people say that was just a brawl, but there were a lot of great technical exchanges there, great head movement and counters from both guys. I've also seen people claim that Dunham won, and I think that's crazy.
Disliked
Jimy Hettes having unbelievably poor fight IQ. Dude was getting lit up standing and showed absolutely no urgency to get the fight to the ground, where he should have been able to dominate. Also, his awful striking defense, and using his reach worse than Stefan Struve. I had huge hopes for Hettes, but he's got a hell of a lot of work to do to realise his potential.
Walel Watson throwing a superman punch. Seriously, what the f**k? You already have about a foot in height and reach on Gagnon, why throw a superman punch and leave yourself completely open? Again, someone who's bought the Stevan Struve book of "Utilising your reach".
Jon Jones getting submission of the night. As I said above, it was awesome how he took the submission, but Vinny Magalhaes had by far the most impressive submission of the night. That armbar was as slick as the come. Just more proof that Main Card fighters get undeserved bonuses a lot of the time.
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I like your post !

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: Flound
Date: September 24, 2012 at 08:51 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

I loved watching Hollett lose to Hamill. And normally, I don't like watching Hamill fight and I wished he'd stayed retired, but I really enjoyed watching Hollett lose.
I loved watching Cole Harbour hometown hero TJ Grant win! Awesome!
All in all, a rather impressive slate of fights - a purchase I do not regret at all.
Dislike; Sub of the night to Jones. Vinnie's sub was way slicker....

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: blacklung
Date: September 24, 2012 at 09:17 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

righter said:
blacklung said:
righter said:
Touchdowns to a large extent are how football games are won. That's not true of blood and MMA.
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Capt Obvious. It's not the "blood" it's the action or engaging enough to make the person bleed.
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That doesn't make a lot of sense either since there was a lot of action and engaging. I don't think the analogy holds, even under this interpretation of it.
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wow. ok then

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: the0n3
Date: September 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

Liked:
Bisping winning
Jones Winning
Noke Winning
Disliked:
I didn't watch any of the other fights.

 

[Nastycrow]

Originally posted by: 67goat
Date: September 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Source: https://forum.mmajunkie.com/threads/what-you-liked-and-didnt-like-about-the-last-ufc-event.48607/

ChrisminaL said:
67goat said:
And an armbar isn't really dangerous? Elbows are okay to hyperextend, but not knees?
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When someone goes for an armbar, it's up to the submitted guy to tap before the elbow hyperextend.
When someone kicks the knee, he may break it with the kick, directly. There's no situation you can tap out. There's a big difference between a dangerous move such as, imo, a kick to the knee, and a submission, where you, as a fighter, have to tap out if you don't want to have a bone crushed.
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Maybe, if they have time, or the other fighter may yank on it so fast they don't have time to tap. A fighter can even more easily avoid the kick by simply picking their leg up if they don't have their weight on it or bending that knee far enough that the kick won't cause it to move backwards if they do.